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I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by vmg12 »

splonk wrote: post #10
skulk wrote: post #7

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what do you think about OP's 40% VPIP? It seems to me that in low-stakes online play you'd want to play tighter than that, but I know very little about poker strategy beyond what I've absorbed from seeing people talk about it.

It's a fairly meaningless stat without knowing the number of the players at the table. At a quick glance he seems to be playing 6-max, but sometimes 3-handed. In any case 40% is within the reasonable range for 6-max.

Assuming they are playing 6 max with full tables 40% vpip is egregious and I do not see how they could have a winning strategy playing like that. (Looking at their results they are not winning).

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by maest »

vmg12 wrote: post #57
raincole wrote: post #49

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Sites have very a strong incentive to make you believe this. Otherwise no human would join anymore.

I'm beating online poker. The difficulty of beating online poker is very much dependent on the site and the rake.

Doesn't mean bots aren't widespread. It just means you're better than the breakeven player.

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by [deleted] »

vmg12 wrote: post #56
mattmaroon wrote: post #19

I have to imagine bots have made online poker unwinnable by now, right?

Online poker is very much beatable. Poker isn't solved in the same way chess is. It also depends on the site and the rake. Some unregulated sites don't do KYC so collusion is possible.

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Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by jonahx »

monero-xmr wrote: post #59
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #33

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Yes, but it's worse than you'd think, from what I understand. The bots will try to get more than one seat at a table and share information, so that it's even MORE unfair.

Cash games in person are pretty bad too. Casinos need to make money and they only get it off rake, so they have lately turned a blind eye to collusion. The only safe poker (except among friends) is tournaments, in person, so they randomize the tables properly.

Collusion in live poker, especially at low to mid-stakes, is almost non-existent.

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by vmg12 »

maest wrote: post #72
vmg12 wrote: post #57

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I'm beating online poker. The difficulty of beating online poker is very much dependent on the site and the rake.

Doesn't mean bots aren't widespread. It just means you're better than the breakeven player.

I'm a software engineer with 10+ years of experience. I'm also a poker player that has a very deep understanding of the game. Writing a poker bot that can beat the game is absolutely not trivial. There are "solvers" that use counterfactual regret minimization to solve a constrained version of the game for specific scenarios. These are useful for understanding the principles of the game but they are not the cheat sheet people think they are.

I think people fundamentally don't get that poker is not like chess. The vast majority of money I win is from identifying when players are too attached to their hand and never folding or when they just give up on their hand and fold to any bet.

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Post by hiatus »

Waterluvian wrote: post #53
recursive wrote: post #52

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I don't know what a reg is but I would assume the first thing you do after you get your bot working is to add some imperfect play so that you don't get banned by the most trivial heuristics.

Yeah. Poker isn’t actually hard to play perfectly if you’re writing a bot. The hard part is making it look authentic and not emit any patterns or other signals that could be detected in the data.

> Poker isn’t actually hard to play perfectly if you’re writing a bot.

How so? It's not like the entire game state is visible to all players, and a big part of poker is playing the other players.

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by hiatus »

bluecheese452 wrote: post #66
JohnMakin wrote: post #23

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Not really. Maybe in very specific applications of limit (fixed bet size) hold'em, but no limit texas hold'em, the most popular variant online, is very much unsolved, especially in multi-way pots. There are simply too many variables and strategies involved to calculate quickly enough on the fly. For games like omaha, which uses 4 hole cards, this is even harder. Due to advancement of theory and study and popularity o…

Heads up no limit holdem bots crush the best players in the world even 200bbs deep. So kind of like the same situation as chess. Not solved but not beatable.

Can you link to more info?

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by discordance »

I like this approach:

“ What it all means for the future

It's not really my thing to give too much thought about macro-trends that are out of my control or worry about what negative consequences they might have on my life.

The short answer, I really don't know what this means for the future of the career of programming, the business of software, or anything else. Instead of worrying about that I'm going to try to focus on the here and now, the upside potential, and the unique set of advantages that I have available to me to build something valuable, have fun, and maybe profit.

I'm going to do what I enjoy doing, try to learn some new skills and create things.”

Re: I played 1k hands of online poker and built a web app with Cursor AI

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Post by monero-xmr »

jonahx wrote: post #74
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

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Cash games in person are pretty bad too. Casinos need to make money and they only get it off rake, so they have lately turned a blind eye to collusion. The only safe poker (except among friends) is tournaments, in person, so they randomize the tables properly.

Collusion in live poker, especially at low to mid-stakes, is almost non-existent.

I see it all the time at low stakes cash games. This is how people earn a living
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