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German government comes out against Chat Control
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Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#72This is strange, because not long ago it was Germany (!!) that pushed heavily for mass-sniffing of people. I don't trust this. People should watch very, very carefully what Germany is actually doing next. I would not be surprised if the mass-sniffing comes in a few months when nobody is looking.
Never trust the CDU. They were the ones pushing for the illegal data retention (Vorratsdatenspeicherung) and von der Leyen from the CDU is big on censorship and mass surveillance. They are just against it now because the country has bigger problems and the CDU has the worst approval ratings in history.
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#73This is strange, because not long ago it was Germany (!!) that pushed heavily for mass-sniffing of people. I don't trust this. People should watch very, very carefully what Germany is actually doing next. I would not be surprised if the mass-sniffing comes in a few months when nobody is looking.
There is considerable opposition in Germany against these things. It’s true that some political circles keep pushing for it, but there is also a strong constitutional and civil basis against it. It’s exceedingly unlikely to happen that “nobody is looking”. The biggest risk is the far right coming into power.
Are they pushing for it?
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think local mesh networks would remain legal?
It won't but luckily no government is powerful enough to govern math and therefore cryptography. Mathematics is more of a liberator than the second amendment in this respect. Physical hardware can be controlled, yes. Decentralization and obfuscation similar to TOR is probably needed here.
Cryptography is privacy. Privacy can taken away by law.
It is the same as free speech. You can say what you want, but you can go to jail for saying the wrong thing in many countries.
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think local mesh networks would remain legal?
It won't but luckily no government is powerful enough to govern math and therefore cryptography. Mathematics is more of a liberator than the second amendment in this respect. Physical hardware can be controlled, yes. Decentralization and obfuscation similar to TOR is probably needed here.
Ah yes, fortunately governments have never in history successfully declared certain large integers illegal and prosecuted people for sharing them.
Shooting someone is also "just physics", yet many governments have been known to frown upon it (depending on the context).
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think local mesh networks would remain legal?
It won't but luckily no government is powerful enough to govern math and therefore cryptography. Mathematics is more of a liberator than the second amendment in this respect. Physical hardware can be controlled, yes. Decentralization and obfuscation similar to TOR is probably needed here.
If running a mesh network is illegal, does it matter that the traffic is just math? Without a network, there's no data transmission of that math. The government controls the airwaves. It doesn't matter if you're broadcasting Top40 or encrypted messages, if they say no to your transmitting, you're going nowhere.
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
It won't but luckily no government is powerful enough to govern math and therefore cryptography. Mathematics is more of a liberator than the second amendment in this respect. Physical hardware can be controlled, yes. Decentralization and obfuscation similar to TOR is probably needed here.
Ah yes, fortunately governments have never in history successfully declared certain large integers illegal and prosecuted people for sharing them. Shooting someone is also "just physics", yet many governments have been known to frown upon it (depending on the context).
You'll be okay as long as you print them on a t-shirt
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah yes, fortunately governments have never in history successfully declared certain large integers illegal and prosecuted people for sharing them. Shooting someone is also "just physics", yet many governments have been known to frown upon it (depending on the context).
You'll be okay as long as you print them on a t-shirt
Yep, good thing nobody has ever been jailed for wearing a t-shirt with the wrong slogan.
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is considerable opposition in Germany against these things. It’s true that some political circles keep pushing for it, but there is also a strong constitutional and civil basis against it. It’s exceedingly unlikely to happen that “nobody is looking”. The biggest risk is the far right coming into power.
Are they pushing for it?
No, they position themselves against it, because they have a narrative similar to the (former) “deep state” narrative in the US, but you can be assured that they will reverse course as soon as they can afford it.
Re: German government comes out against Chat Control
#80This rollercoaster is wearing me out. I hope this finally settles it!
Just imagine some other people will carry the burden and mentally distance yourself from it to relax from it wearing you out. You can take up the burden again later once you've recovered and others are worn out