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Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

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Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

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I think it’s just fantastic that the Ladybird browser is close to being usable. I was under the impression this was going to take many years before it became competitive.

Don't hold your breath though. Looking at the September progress report[0] there are many many things to iron out. It's great progress but there are still several years of development for LB to be ready.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vsjIIiODhY

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

#72

I wish them well, but browsers are very much pay-to-play. Google had to pay their way to their current dominant position.

Don't forget, Firefox didn't succeed because Firefox was good, it succeeded because IE was bad. People don't like having to choose between Google Chrome and Google Firefox.

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

#76
post #10

I wonder how hard the last 10% will be? If its a typical software project its going to be 90% more effort for the last 10%.

And the last 1% will be constantly changing, and never really “done” as a result.

90% is Apple’s standard. I wonder what the general public requires.

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

#77
post #72

I wish them well, but browsers are very much pay-to-play. Google had to pay their way to their current dominant position.

Don't forget, Firefox didn't succeed because Firefox was good, it succeeded because IE was bad. People don't like having to choose between Google Chrome and Google Firefox.

Ad blockers were another huge draw, in my experience.

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

#78
post #63

The linked tweet notes that this is an important milestone in getting Ladybird considered as an alternative browser engine in iOS.

...in the EU at least, anywhere else Apple is going to say "no" regardless of how good your engine is.

How does it work for the likes of Google and Mozilla? Do they use their own engines for iOS versions in the EU and wrap WebKit for other areas?

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

#79

I wish them well, but browsers are very much pay-to-play. Google had to pay their way to their current dominant position.

Depends on what you mean by "pay-to-play".

Google's business model was to take FLOSS software, ostensibly make it work without them being involved, but make it obvious that if you wanted things to be as simple as possible, you needed to use their version of it. Can you use Chromium as your daily driver? Sure, but it's not as simple as just using Chrome. Android is even more like this. And of course, the simplest way to use this software also just happens to give Google a ton of your data, which enabled them as an ad-serving company.

They wouldn't have given the browser away for free if they weren't making at least the cost of the browser development back in the take from ad revenues.

I guess you could argue that the moves to buy services like YouTube and other big pillars of the web and have that reflected in Chrome development cost money.

Re: Ladybird passes the Apple 90% threshold on web-platform-tests

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...in the EU at least, anywhere else Apple is going to say "no" regardless of how good your engine is.

How does it work for the likes of Google and Mozilla? Do they use their own engines for iOS versions in the EU and wrap WebKit for other areas?

AFAICT, Chrome and Firefox on iOS are still just WebKit wrappers. I’d love for that to change though, WebKit in iOS sucks in quite a few ways.
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