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Americans increasingly see legal sports betting as a bad thing for society

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Re: Americans increasingly see legal sports betting as a bad thing for society

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Post by tstrimple »

331c8c71 wrote: post #56
darth_avocado wrote: post #47

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> while they tend to be absent from more affluent ones. It’s not that they don’t want to be, it’s that affluent neighborhoods tend to keep things that are considered “low class” out of them. The only Safeway in my city that doesn’t sell lottery tickets is the one in the most affluent neighborhood.

I bet the better off do gamble on the financial markets though

Plus it's fun and "dangerous" to slum it with the plebs on occasion. But you don't want that shit close to where you live.

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Post by frereubu »

keanb wrote: post #65
nosianu wrote: post #63

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Yes, they chose their genes and the structure of their brain after all, how irresponsible of them! /s In general, something that happens at scale and consistently is not an individual problem. You have whole armies of very well funded designers of things like processed food, or games, working to deliberate find the faults in human brains, and to make politicians make the laws that lets them do it legally, and you say…

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Do you think people with a gambling addiction are enjoying it and making an informed choice to continue, and could therefore just choose not to do it instead?

Re: Americans increasingly see legal sports betting as a bad thing for society

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Post by spike021 »

It's become very toxic in baseball. just google "baseball player", "threats", and "gambling" and you'll see what I mean.

edit for examples:

* https://www.newsweek.com/sports/mlb/red-sox-pitcher-confront...

* https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/giants/article/mlb-threat...

Re: Americans increasingly see legal sports betting as a bad thing for society

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Post by furyofantares »

Gunax wrote: post #24

I happen to enjoy sports gambling and would be sad to see it disappear. I'm writing this because I want you to know what you're depriving me of. Because _other_ people make poor decisions, we need to take that decision away from everyone.

I like gambling too, I was very much for legalizing it until it happened and I saw how many lives it's devastated, and how vulnerable young people are to it.

Now I don't give a fuck that banning it would deprive me (or you) of something we happen to enjoy.

Here‘s the article that started me toward changing my mind: https://thezvi.substack.com/p/the-online-sports-gambling-exp...

Re: Americans increasingly see legal sports betting as a bad thing for society

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Post by toast0 »

Fade_Dance wrote: post #36
tokioyoyo wrote: post #18

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> It could be banned. Would that stop it? Probably not. Was not that big of a thing 15 years ago. The goal of a ban is not to reduce the consumption to 0, but try to lower it a significant amount. Although, since people are generally aware of it and participated in it, it might not be that easy to go back to beforetimes.

It doesn't have to be a prohibition either. Advertising could be banned. Branding could be controlled so it isn't appealing (Provider 1, Provider 2, etc). Parlay bets and "innovations" (which burn customer money 10 times faster) could be restricted. The "concierge" service that preys on the big spending addicts could be regulated/erased. That's the sort of ban that actually works for society, because it is strongly f…

> Advertising could be banned.

I always liked how the offshore casinos would setup a play money casino on their name.net and advertise that on the poker shows. Of course, I imagine a lot of people would put in .com instead and accidentally end up on the real money casino. Whoops.

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Post by psychoslave »

331c8c71 wrote: post #56
darth_avocado wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> while they tend to be absent from more affluent ones. It’s not that they don’t want to be, it’s that affluent neighborhoods tend to keep things that are considered “low class” out of them. The only Safeway in my city that doesn’t sell lottery tickets is the one in the most affluent neighborhood.

I bet the better off do gamble on the financial markets though

Those who already took 99% of the pie can safely bet on every possible outcome.

Most can avoid to lose completely while alive, but they have no path to a winning position, and others are trapped in a situation where it's so hard to go down to a net lost that they lose ability to understand that individual hard work and wiseness is not going to defeat societal asymetries.

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Post by RataNova »

angarg12 wrote: post #16

I left my home country over 10 years ago, and ever since I've travelled back once every 1 or 2 years. Since 4-5 years ago I started to notice these betting houses cropping up where my family and friends live. They are impossible to miss, with big pictures of different sports and no windows. The most important thing to notice is where these place are and are not. They proliferate in working class and less well off nei…

It's frustrating because technically it's all "legal" and marketed as harmless entertainment, but in practice it’s just another way to extract money from people who have the least to spare

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Post by watwut »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #68
watwut wrote: post #40

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> It's certainly bad for individuals, and by extension their families. When gambler makes debt, then the partner gets half the debt in divorce. And they have to pay it. It is not bad for families just "by extension". It is directly harming the family members even after the divorce.

Personal gambling debt is individual unless credited to a joint account no?

In marriage, stuff you acquire during marriage is "common" no matter which accout you used. The same applies to debt. (Pre existing assets and debts are purely yours).

The common stuff then splits half half unless there was prenup or something.

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Post by toast0 »

DiggyJohnson wrote: post #68
watwut wrote: post #40

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> It's certainly bad for individuals, and by extension their families. When gambler makes debt, then the partner gets half the debt in divorce. And they have to pay it. It is not bad for families just "by extension". It is directly harming the family members even after the divorce.

Personal gambling debt is individual unless credited to a joint account no?

I live in a community property state, all of my accounts are owned by the marriage regardless of how they're titled. I would imagine legal debts are similar. There's some exceptions and I suppose gambling debt could be one, but I would expect the default to be that the debt holder could collect from assets held by either spouse.
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