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Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#71

Post by librasteve »

ben_w wrote: post #52
loehnsberg wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose you have a liberal mindset and work there, you must bend the knee and practice anticipatory obedience, or why else would you tell the world that the rocket will be ”dropping into the Gulf of America?“

While I agree with your general point, as an outsider what struck me the most about Trump ordering the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America" was the pettieness of it, and as such I don't really care. I mean, I live in Germany now, and the German name for Germany isn't Germany (except when it is because Denglish is surprisingly also used in political posters), and likewise has a different name in Fre…

Seems to me that having your name localised into other languages shows a degree of respect (or at least familiarity). Pity also the French, Franzozerinen; the Anglais, Grossbritannierinen; or the Dutch.

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#74

Post by TMWNN »

spwa4 wrote: post #70
rapsey wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are gov subsidies taking away money from tens of millions. That is not how the gov budget works. Spacex contracts are by far the lowest cost to get cargo into orbit though. They save the gov money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Effic... Your spacex contracts thing is bullshit too, but first the more important stuff. I think you'll agree many of these affect poor americans greatly, as well as poor people worldwide. A partial list of what Musk did with DOGE: * Mass layoffs across the government. Especially education is badly affected. * USAID shutdowns * DOE downsizing (ie. killing educat…

>* USAID shutdowns

The rest of the world is not entitled to unlimited American funds for all time.

>* DOE downsizing (ie. killing education)

Canada doesn't even have a federal-level education department. Is Canada filled with uneducated morons?

>As for the spacex contracts: a cheaper price only helps if it actually leads to less spending. Since the US cannot risk spacex being the only access to space, it cannot cut funding to ULA contracts. Therefore spacex is more expensive, despite the cheaper sticker price.

The mind boggles at this "logic".

The desire for having multiple launchers is not because "the US cannot risk spacex being the only access to space", but because the US got badly burned by putting all its rocket eggs into one space shuttle basket.

If SpaceX didn't exist, and the US government used ULA and Blue Origin for all its launches, the US would be paying far more than it is now. Don't believe me? Biden's NASA administrator Bill Nelson quoted a member of the Joint Chiefs as telling him that SpaceX had saved the US government $40 billion for just launching military payloads https://www.fool.com/investing/2022/06/05/did-spacex-really-...>.

On the civilian side, SpaceX saved NASA $2 billion for just one payload, Europa Clipper https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/a-year-from-launch-the...>, so who knows how many billions more from other launches.

The above is purely a cost analysis, and doesn't even cover SpaceX allowing the US to no longer being dependent on Russia for sending people into space, as was the case from 2011 to 2020.

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#75

Post by rapsey »

spwa4 wrote: post #70
rapsey wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are gov subsidies taking away money from tens of millions. That is not how the gov budget works. Spacex contracts are by far the lowest cost to get cargo into orbit though. They save the gov money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Effic... Your spacex contracts thing is bullshit too, but first the more important stuff. I think you'll agree many of these affect poor americans greatly, as well as poor people worldwide. A partial list of what Musk did with DOGE: * Mass layoffs across the government. Especially education is badly affected. * USAID shutdowns * DOE downsizing (ie. killing educat…

Killing education please. Dept of education does not run schools. Regarding loans, the best thing he could have done is abolish the program completely as it is the main reason the cost of education has gone up so much.

He also made a great many people rich not to mention how many jobs. That does not count?

Also I have no idea what expensive mandatory maintenance you mean. As if any other car does not require maintenance.

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#76

Post by the_real_cher »

Veedrac wrote: post #36
the_real_cher wrote: post #12

Whats the tine frame for starship to be working?

Nobody knows. Flight 11 is the last of the 'Block 2' Starships, so not 11, but potentially Flight 12 could be a successful derisking mission of Block 3, and then Flight 13 would be first full operational mission. Actual full reuse could follow soon after that. The optimistic case is that they've demonstrated everything they need to except for having a fully reliable heat shield, but they also seem to have a workable…

Thank you for the information!

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#77

Post by ben_w »

librasteve wrote: post #71
ben_w wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I agree with your general point, as an outsider what struck me the most about Trump ordering the renaming of the Gulf of Mexico as the "Gulf of America" was the pettieness of it, and as such I don't really care. I mean, I live in Germany now, and the German name for Germany isn't Germany (except when it is because Denglish is surprisingly also used in political posters), and likewise has a different name in Fre…

Seems to me that having your name localised into other languages shows a degree of respect (or at least familiarity). Pity also the French, Franzozerinen; the Anglais, Grossbritannierinen; or the Dutch.

Exonyms definitely aren't always positive — Niemcy and Německo are both from Proto-Slavic "němъ": unclear/incomprehensible speaker; muttering; mute/unable to speak.

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

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Post by librasteve »

ben_w wrote: post #77
librasteve wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems to me that having your name localised into other languages shows a degree of respect (or at least familiarity). Pity also the French, Franzozerinen; the Anglais, Grossbritannierinen; or the Dutch.

Exonyms definitely aren't always positive — Niemcy and Německo are both from Proto-Slavic "němъ": unclear/incomprehensible speaker; muttering; mute/unable to speak.

same as Welsh!

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

#79

Post by spwa4 »

TMWNN wrote: post #74
spwa4 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Government_Effic... Your spacex contracts thing is bullshit too, but first the more important stuff. I think you'll agree many of these affect poor americans greatly, as well as poor people worldwide. A partial list of what Musk did with DOGE: * Mass layoffs across the government. Especially education is badly affected. * USAID shutdowns * DOE downsizing (ie. killing educat…

>* USAID shutdowns The rest of the world is not entitled to unlimited American funds for all time. >* DOE downsizing (ie. killing education) Canada doesn't even have a federal-level education department. Is Canada filled with uneducated morons? >As for the spacex contracts: a cheaper price only helps if it actually leads to less spending. Since the US cannot risk spacex being the only access to space, it cannot cut f…

Thanks for making this comment. I can not imagine a stronger endorsement that mr. Musk and SpaceX/Tesler are responsible for all these things, that neither company is really a positive for the US.

Btw: if you're going to be racist, don't you have a problem with the fact that mr. Musk ... is not an American? I mean that is the one thing I'll credit Musk with: making Trump suck his ** in front of conservative "we hate immigrants" voters, on the white house lawn exposes the hypocrisy of MAGA and GOP voters better than even throwing a nuclear bomb on Breitbart could.

Re: Starship's eleventh flight test

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Post by matt-attack »

loehnsberg wrote: post #40
ipnon wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't discount all of the great engineers at SpaceX just because of their boss, they are still pushing the limits of rocket science every day! And who knows, maybe they're just like us, and they think their boss is a jerk just like any other company employee.

Suppose you have a liberal mindset and work there, you must bend the knee and practice anticipatory obedience, or why else would you tell the world that the rocket will be ”dropping into the Gulf of America?“

I’m a liberal and I have absolutely zero opinion about what we call various bodies of water. The hands wringing over such inconsequential monikers makes me embarrassed sometimes to be part of this party.
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