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Re: Kagi News

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Post by doublerebel »

__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

Disappointing. Non-LLM NLP summarization is actually rather good these days. It works by finding the key sentences in the text and extracting the relevant sections, no possibility for hallucination. No need to go full AI for this feature.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by __jonas »

atonse wrote: post #56
__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

I'm genuinely asking, but have you tried it? https://kite.kagi.com It actually seems more like an aggregator (like ground.news) to me. And pretty much every single sentence cites the original article(s). There are nice summaries within an article. I think what they mean is that they generate a meta-article after combining the rest of them. There's nothing novel here. But the presentation of the meta-article and publi…

I have yeah, to me it looks like what I described in my comment above, it's LLM generated text, is it not?

> And pretty much every single sentence cites the original article(s).

Yeah but again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think asking an LLM to provide a source / citation yields any guarantee that the text it generates alongside it is accurate.

I also see a lot of text without any citations at all, here are three sections (Historical background, Technical details and Scientific significance) that don't cite any sources: https://kite.kagi.com/s/5e6qq2

Re: Kagi News

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

I really like the balance here. No "brand names" in the headline summaries, no imagery or videos on the homepage, summarize multiple sources. It's daily so no need to refresh.

I've been really enjoying Semafor's emails too, but their 2x a day is tough for me to keep up with. I'll try to get a habit of looking at Kagi News to stay informed.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by patrakov »

Feedback (if someone reads it): offer an option to translate everything to English. For example, news from/about Russia are in Russian, and thus I can't meaningfully share them to non-Russians.

That's despite the appropriate HTTP header:

Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5

Re: Kagi News

#75

Post by bobbylarrybobby »

buster wrote: post #5

Kagi seems to be one of the few companies that put out services, genuinely trying to fix things with good intent. I hope it stays that way. (I was very skeptical about Kagi Assistant but now i am a happy Kagi Ultimate subscriber).

I'm curious, aside from pricing, what utility do you get from Assistant that you wouldn't from just subscribing directly to a single LLM?

Re: Kagi News

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Post by jwitchel »

I've been using Kagi search for a while now and frankly it's fantastic. Google looks like AOL to me now.

These guys are doing great work and this news product is exactly what I want... Once a day hit. What is happening in the world? As far as pmf goes they hit the mark for an old fart like me.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by lyu07282 »

I never found the lowest most common denominator news "curation" to be at all interesting, let alone algorithmically driven ones. The issue with news has nothing to do with curation of mainstream media. There is very little value in reading a state department or law enforcement press release summarized by some overworked stenographer/journalist. Or some NGO's push to drive some nondescript narrative uncritically parroted. Or some SEO driven click bait or tragedy porn.

If you wanted to fix the news you'd begin by critically curating mainstream news and throwing 80% of it in the trash, then you'd add 80% of material and critical analysis back to the 20% that had none of that.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by Apocryphon »

charcircuit wrote: post #39
treetalker wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For one, I welcome RSS (back) and say the more, the better. I much prefer to pull specific types of information at my own set intervals when I need them, instead of either having undifferentiated information pushed on me continuously like a blast from a fire hose, or having to reach out to manually check and filter many individual sources. The idea is to schedule my receipt and processing of the information, and then…

I think Kagi's target audience is people who want to see news, and not people who want a RSS reader for news. The average person does not care how news gets to them. The fact that it uses RSS is a technical detail they should not have to worry about. Kagi should not be artificially restricting themselves to RSS feed when there is news that exists outside the RSS ecosystem which they should consider including.

Kagi's eventual target audience might be the average person, but right now its customers are almost certainly the type of people who mourned the shuttering of Google Reader.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by tantalor »

The grounding is really strange.

This example includes a Reddit post as a source:

https://kite.kagi.com/s/hjgy55

But that post is actually a link to reuters.com

There is also a list of "citations" which are referenced from the generated text, and "sources" which are not referenced anywhere. It's not clear if they used reddit or reuters to generate any of the text.

I also see lots of citations to "common knowledge"... which is um, weird.

For example:

> National Guard activation: Guard forces can serve under state control (Title 32) or be federalized (Title 10), which determines who directs missions and the scope of authority [*].

Is this common knowledge?

Re: Kagi News

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Post by drewbitt »

I’m probably online too much, but a lot of the news I see is from yesterday. Supposedly it just refreshed with today’s news, but does that really clear out anything older if some outlets publish their stories later than others? I would not describe some of this as "today's headlines"
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