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Correct, if only because, unlike actual left-wing political movements, such as anarchism, communism, or socialism, "leftism" is right of center.
Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
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#72I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…
My dismissive but practical take is "well yeah there's nobody in the room to call an ambulance when you have the heart attack you'll most likely have", which mindfulness classes and support groups don't help with. There's practical benefits to having people around.
There was a funny statistical artifact I read once (well, for some value of 'funny') that home was a terrible place to have a heart attack, because people are willing to 'just lie down and see how I feel' rather than in a restaurant or movie theater where an ambulance will be called.
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#73I've seen this happen in person, to my grandmother. She hitched her identity to the man of the house, even signing checks "Mrs. grandad's name." She was the accountant of their farm along with housewife and cook and chicken tender. He was most of the muscle until he had to relinquish the work to their youngest son, who had moved out and into his own house. She was in relatively good health when grandad died at 76. Sh…
> She hitched her identity to the man of the house, even signing checks "Mrs. grandad's name."
That was quite common for much of the 20th century.
Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
#74I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…
Of course there is no direct causation between loneliness and death. You don't directly die from lack of social interaction, but you do directly die from lack of food. However, there is a clear causal link between loneliness and habits that increase mortality.
Do you not believe that mental well being is affected by loneliness? And that mental well being could affect mortality?
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#75Loneliness directly contributes to alcoholism and a number of other self-medication addictions. Part of it is social - pubs and places that profit off of alcohol are where lonely men often go to find company. Is it malicious to exploit loneliness by offering respite to it to sell addictive substances?
Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
#76I would expect this to be correlated to not having kids as well. Anecdotally the healthiest elderly I know are deeply involved in raising grandkids/great grandkids, and those relatives without kids I've lost early.
I've heard of some efforts to pair retirement homes and preschools in some way, to benefit both, and I'd love to see that idea work in some way. I expect it to have many liability challenges but would be so good for both parties.
Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
#77I've seen this happen in person, to my grandmother. She hitched her identity to the man of the house, even signing checks "Mrs. grandad's name." She was the accountant of their farm along with housewife and cook and chicken tender. He was most of the muscle until he had to relinquish the work to their youngest son, who had moved out and into his own house. She was in relatively good health when grandad died at 76. Sh…
> She hitched her identity to the man of the house, even signing checks "Mrs. grandad's name." That was quite common for much of the 20th century.
Yep. I have been doing genealogy, and the women are very hard to track down because of this. There is a lot of "Mrs. Joe Schmoe" in the papers.
Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
#78I haven't dug into all the sources, but I think there's a potential confounder here, or maybe even reverse causality. The author seems to assume causation when the studies only indicate correlation. E.g. the first link says "chronic loneliness increases mortality risk" but the actual source says "actual and perceived social isolation are both associated with increased risk for early mortality". So for example, it's p…
As an anecdote, I have a couple of elderly family members who did not mellow with age. Instead they became even more toxic and abusive as they approached their 80s. (I have another who was the complete opposite.). The abusive ones hurled curse words as soon as you entered the door; then they "switched" personalities and acted as if nothing happened. I also know of an acquaintance whose son had the similar personality traits even though he's only in his 40s. The son needed a 24 hour a day caregiver because he's mentally challenged. In short there are a whole host of physical and/or mental problems that confound the situation.
Re: Meta-analysis of 2.2M people: Loneliness increases mortality risk by 32%
#79This might go against the whole "just use positive thinking out of loneliness"
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It's hard. I belong to an atheist-inclusive church, but I've been skipping for about a month and I'm reluctant to show up again. Words like "community", "fellowship", "connection" are used a lot, but there's no obvious checklist for me to follow when I wake up Sunday morning feeling like a piece of shit and having no desire to inflict myself on others.
As a "believer" myself (we don't typically use that evangelical terminology but it's close enough) I can completely understand that. People should go to Church for Christ, and anything else, even "community" is a nice bonus but is not going to sustain people when pursued for its own sake, as you're experiencing.
Maybe a sport or hobby club or some other thing you're interested in where people have a specific motivation to get together, bonding and forming "community" more naturally?