Odd nobody wants to give direct examples of the political opinions/statements not allowed.
Lots of talk about them, but nobody will just say what they are?
NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
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Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#72I am unfamiliar with the issues that led to this event. Could someone point me to examples of controversial moderation decisions that were “interfered” with?
The moderation log both explains it very well, and not at all, depending on perspective. When you follow the Discourse and other community forums for a while, you notice that moderation is unevenly applied. Some get permanent bans, other bans counted in hours, if at all. When you are familiar with the names in the moderation log, and the lack of consistency in ruling, you see a very clear moderation bias.
https://github.com/NixOS/moderation/blob/main/moderation-log...
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#73Odd nobody wants to give direct examples of the political opinions/statements not allowed. Lots of talk about them, but nobody will just say what they are?
if I tweet trans women are not women somewhere else whats the outcome?
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#74Odd nobody wants to give direct examples of the political opinions/statements not allowed. Lots of talk about them, but nobody will just say what they are?
You are not allowed to have a moderate opinion on gender representation in tech, and you are not allowed to have photos of steak on your NixOS discussion forum profile:
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Some people just don't seem to understand that 1. Everything is political To "understand" this, it would have to be correct.
I used to have a pretty big problem with this claim myself; I'd vehemently reject it for reasons I wasn't entirely certain of. Then I read a comment on here a while ago, something along the lines of "children have political opinions too". It was so utterly absurd, it broke something in me. One thing lead to another, and now I no longer reject the claim vehemently. I reject it trivially. It isn't that it's not correct…
Very well put
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#76One of the reasons I stopped using Nix is how much more often I saw posts about political bickering than anything helpful. I'm not aware of any other open source project so consumed with virtue signal bikeshedding.
I'm a NixOS committer. I avoid Discourse and Matrix and thus avoid almost all drama.
My impression is that:
* NixOS had light governance for many years, which used to be enough, but wasn't enough to adress disagreements as of around 2022.
* A moderation team partially filled that governance gap, but it was seen to be politically motivated, and is now being held accountable by an elected body (the steering committee).
* This shift in power has resulted in tensions.
* NixOS users skew a little idiosyncratic in general. I'd hazard a guess this coincides with wanting full control of their machines, and being willing to upend the status quo to do so.
I'm hopeful that as more governance is rooted in the elected body, we'll have less tension over time.
I'm thankful for all contributors who make NixOS for what it is today.
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#77The unelected mods who resigned were refusing accountability being enforced by the elected steering committee, which tells you what you need to know about how the mods ran things. Good riddance, and easily enough replaced.
Yep that would be my conclusion too, we still need to hear the other side of the history
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#78They should take a cue from sqlite and just adopt the Rule of St Benedict.
Here's the official document: https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html
Re: NixOS moderation team resigns over NixOS Steering Committee's interference
#79One of the reasons I stopped using Nix is how much more often I saw posts about political bickering than anything helpful. I'm not aware of any other open source project so consumed with virtue signal bikeshedding.
Same here! I don’t have a problem with people having different opinions than mine, but when they start banning core contributors for that, it’s just a matter of time before ship goes down. I kind of hoped I was wrong and after all this time the dust settled - not because I was going to use it again, but because the project is a very cool idea.
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#80Just to be clear: in some drama about one year ago the moderation team considered that people could be banned solely based on their political opinions if those happened to be right-wing / MAGA / anti-wokism. Then the drama extended because people, even if they weren't right-wing/MAGA/anti-wokism had to agree with the moderators' political opinions. So when TFA writes this: > apparently trying to address perceptions o…
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