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Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by gruez »

spwa4 wrote: post #64
bigyabai wrote: post #36

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You probably took your security for granted? I'm being perfectly serious, RCEs like this are table-stakes for modern cyber-warfare.

A state (or a carrier, in theory), doesn't need RCEs to do this. In every phone, the "actual phone", what talks to cell towers, is a separate system called the Baseband. It is a full computer, storage, memory, encryption, ... and it is under the control of carriers and through them of law enforcement and the like. It is also where the microphone and mostly the cameras are connected. The baseband then passes them thro…

>and it is under the control of carriers

No, the only part where carriers can run arbitrary code is on the sim card, which can only run javacard applets.

>It can also transmit audio and video when the phone is not actually in a call.

Source? AFAIK both iPhones and Pixels have discrete modems, which means the baseband is separated from the main processor and communicates with it via some sort of bus. It's unclear how the baseband would be able to get arbitrary audio/video when it's isolated in this manner.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by Waterluvian »

gruez wrote: post #70
g8oz wrote: post #67

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Something similar could be said of Israeli strategy. They have not achieved anything of note except inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. Perhaps because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel strong. I think that is why they keep sabotaging the talks that would have seen all the hostages returned by now.

>Something similar could be said of Israeli strategy. They have not achieved anything of note except inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. Perhaps because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel strong. It's pretty consistently noted in the media that Netanyahu's actions in Palestine are to placate his far-right coalition partners, who would otherwise bring down his government. No need to invoke "…

I guess it might depend on what the goal is for staying in office, and to what ends one will go to do so. Is all of this truly because he believes this will make Israelis safer? Or is it because he wants to hold power, and what’s the motivator for holding that power? Avoiding consequences?

I wonder if for people like Netanyahu, Trump, Putin, etc. (and the people who are successfully swayed to support them…) it’s less about feeling strong and more about avoiding feeling weak.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by AlecSchueler »

0ct4via wrote: post #66
AlecSchueler wrote: post #60

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Maybe not doing everything we can to legitimise Hamas by dehumanising the entire Palestinian people would be a start. Back a dog into a corner then euthanise it for biting you... Disgusting

You legitimated Hamas when Starmer recognised a Palestinian state - *in the middle of a war* - nearly two years after October 7 - while Hamas still have hostages ...it ABSOLUTELY legitimises them, and rewards them for their attacks on October 7 and beyond. Sounds more like you're "dehumanising the entire Palestinian people" by calling them a dog... and accusing Israel of "euthanising" the Palestinian people. Hamas' l…

> You legitimated Hamas when Starmer recognised a Palestinian state

Nope. Palestine isn't Hamas.

> Sounds more like you're "dehumanising the entire Palestinian people" by calling them a dog...

"No u?" I didn't call anyone a dog, I used a metaphor to illustrate a situation.

> Hamas' literal goal — which you've conveniently decided to avoid commenting on — is the yada yada yada

Yeah because I'm not talking about Hamas. And honestly I haven't seen a single reasonable word in your comment this far so I don't think I'll be reading any further.

Oh wow haha you've even got all the "anti-Semitic" buzzwords in there. You know the UN has recognised the genocide? Is there a genocide taking place in Ukraine? Why do you equate these things?

Sorry, don't even answer that, this exchange will go nowhere. But I'm glad you wasted your time

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by spwa4 »

bigyabai wrote: post #68
g8oz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something similar could be said of Israeli strategy. They have not achieved anything of note except inflicting a Holocaust against the Palestinians. Perhaps because of some misguided idea that this makes them feel strong. I think that is why they keep sabotaging the talks that would have seen all the hostages returned by now.

Yes, violently disproportionate attacks on civilians is a part of IDF doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

Disproportionate violence is the basic modus operandus of every state.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by geoah »

g-b-r wrote: post #45
Theodores wrote: post #20

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In the UK we recently had a test of the emergency alert system. Most people had an alarm and a message on screen, with phones locked. There were a few incidents of motorists ending up in road traffic accidents in the immediate aftermath, and some phones reportedly spoke the announcement rather than just beep loudly. Since the 'beep' is just an audio file, my hunch is that some A/B testing was going on, with most peop…

> some phones reportedly spoke the announcement rather than just beep loudly. Reportedly, some phones have a setting to toggle TTS for emergency alerts...

^ this. Most likely just an accessibility setting.

UK's emergency alert system [1] is based on SMS-CB [2] so it's just test based.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Emergency_Alert_System

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_Broadcast

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by bigyabai »

spwa4 wrote: post #74
bigyabai wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, violently disproportionate attacks on civilians is a part of IDF doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

Disproportionate violence is the basic modus operandus of every state.

You don't understand what modus operandi means. Hamas and Iran can't function using disproportionate violence; they don't have fighter jets or stealth bombers, there isn't an October 7th every month. Their manner of fighting is dramatically underproportionate and still manages to threaten civilians less than Israel.

It should horrify you when the war on terror has killed more civilians than the terrorists ever did. Netanyahu knows violence won't bring hostages home, and everyone else knows Israel will fulminate until they're sanctioned into the stone age. Hamas and Iran are both winning the pissing contest by doing absolutely nothing.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by clanky »

spwa4 wrote: post #63
Waterluvian wrote: post #50

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When you’re weak you have you act strong. Reminds me how at some point the U.S. was so strong that it didn’t even have to show up to dick swinging contests anymore. No military parades and the like, which feels antiquated and kind of embarrassing when you see the Russians or North Koreans doing it. Though the Americans are into military parades again… hmmm…

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I'd say the jury is actually still out on whether al-Aqsa Flood will turn out to have been a brilliant strategic gambit. IDF still suffers frequent "security incidents" in Gaza, and Israel's popular support now consists of a dwindling core of hardliners and online Hasbara bots.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by pityJuke »

Slow_Hand wrote: post #26
pityJuke wrote: post #21

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With all that being said, I'd consider that a gross misuse of emergency functionality.

I don't like having missiles fired at me, but if it's going to happen, an emergency warning would be greatly appreciated.

As someone mentioned, I’m talking about the parent context i.e. using it for Netanyahu’s speech.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by spwa4 »

bigyabai wrote: post #76
spwa4 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disproportionate violence is the basic modus operandus of every state.

You don't understand what modus operandi means. Hamas and Iran can't function using disproportionate violence; they don't have fighter jets or stealth bombers, there isn't an October 7th every month. Their manner of fighting is dramatically under proportionate and still manages to threaten civilians less than Israel. It should horrify you when the war on terror has killed more civilians than the terrorists ever did.…

I think you'll find Iranians disagree with that assessment. And Palestinians, once you ask a few more pointed questions.

Re: Israel took control of Gaza cellphones to stream PM Netanyahu's UN Speech live

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Post by tomhow »

yonisto wrote: post #62
themafia wrote: post #52

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> the responsible adult that was in charge of my protection So you're infantilizing an entire nation to make this point? > So he should surrender and spare us the war. Do you have any measure on this sentiment among the population currently? If it is, as it is in so many places, that the leaders actions are detached from the will of the voters, then what should we make of this? Should they be allowed to surrender to…

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> Your comment is all over the place, but it is very telling. You are a confused westerner

Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes.

Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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