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Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by em-bee »

alecco wrote: post #40
locallost wrote: post #19

I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.

Recently the EU allocated billions to fund tech startups. But if you read the bare minimum demands, you'll see how suspicious it is. Like, you have to have a female co-founder , when everybody in the trade knows it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind. I haven't heard of anybody getting these funds. I suspect the recipients were pre-selected before the announcement and the criteria was tailored to…

it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind

that may be so, but did you check if the funding is limited to teams with at least two or more people? some funds do not allow single founders at all for whatever reason.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by klipt »

arunbahl wrote: post #18

As a startup that chose to locate in Canada, we’ve already had a dozen amazing candidates currently in the US reach out and apply for roles since we shared our thinking earlier this week [0]. The feeling of ambient immigration hostility in the US (even beyond any one specific policy) is palpable. 0: https://aloe.inc/blog/the-best-talent-in-the-world

Canada seems to be entering its own anti immigrant phase though, especially against South Asian immigrants

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/hate-toward-south-asia...

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by em-bee »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #37
tptacek wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a story about Austria.

Not gonna lie I also read it as Australia....

don't worry, austrians get that all the time. i always have to point out that i am talking about the one in europe, next to germany, before it clicks with people

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by klipt »

bee_rider wrote: post #63
alecco wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently the EU allocated billions to fund tech startups. But if you read the bare minimum demands, you'll see how suspicious it is. Like, you have to have a female co-founder , when everybody in the trade knows it's very hard to find a trustworthy co-founder of any kind. I haven't heard of anybody getting these funds. I suspect the recipients were pre-selected before the announcement and the criteria was tailored to…

How would you hear of somebody getting these funds? I don’t personally know anybody who’s gotten massive VC funding in the US either, but I think it does happen. I don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the requirement to find a female co-founder, I mean it is clearly a program to promote equality, but that is an uncontroversial goal in some places.

Suspicious that the EU claims to "promote gender equality" while turning a blind eye to the male only conscription perpetrated by EU members Austria, Finland, etc

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by klipt »

t-3 wrote: post #54
locallost wrote: post #19

I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.

China can benefit in the short-term if talent moves there, but it's very difficult to gain citizenship in China if you're not ethnically Chinese. That probably won't matter for people just moving for work, but those looking for a better life for their children or a home would likely consider it a blocker.

There are millions of overseas Chinese descendants who already speak Chinese and are wholly or partly ethnically Chinese. That would be an easy pool to draw from first.

For example Terence Tao speaks Cantonese.

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Post by thisisit »

jacquesm wrote: post #51
locallost wrote: post #19

I was hoping the EU can capitalize on this, but remain skeptical as the EU politicians have noticed what kind of rhetoric is successful and are starting to bang the same drum louder and louder. Being anti immigration one of the main ideas. We'll see. My bet is China will be the big winner.

> My bet is China will be the big winner. Because China is so much more immigration and foreigner friendly?

You do realise Chinese form a large immigrant population in the US, right?

And as much as I dislike saying this - Chinese government doesn’t want you talking about politics. Otherwise you should be mostly fine.

While US government is going beyond politics. Pushing stuff like that autism and Tylenol connection on correlation study. That is going beyond politics and impacting academic and scientific analysis.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by ricardobeat »

constantcrying wrote: post #21
devin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On its own it isn't, but I suspect if all of these were reported you might think it quite significant.

Why do they not make an actual story out of this, do some research and publish whether there was some unusually high outflow of academics over the last two years? 25 people can not be an indication of anything. Academics especially are moving around often and take up work in different countries.

These are researchers from Harvard, Princeton, and MIT. Sometimes there are only a handful of people worldwide in a particular field doing top level research.

Re: Austria hails 'brain gain' in luring 25 academics away from US after cuts

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Post by constantcrying »

ricardobeat wrote: post #77
constantcrying wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do they not make an actual story out of this, do some research and publish whether there was some unusually high outflow of academics over the last two years? 25 people can not be an indication of anything. Academics especially are moving around often and take up work in different countries.

These are researchers from Harvard, Princeton, and MIT. Sometimes there are only a handful of people worldwide in a particular field doing top level research.

And sometimes there are tens of thousands or these fields are tiny for a reason.
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