Thought this was 2015 for a sec and this was about Zed Shaw.
Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
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#72Why is most of the AI-tooling industry still stuck on this "bring your own key" model?
What would you propose as an alternative?
As a corporate purchaser, "bring your own key" is just about the only way we can allow our employees to stay close to the latest happenings in a rapidly moving corner of the industry.
We need to have a decent amount of trust in the model execution environment and we don't like having tons of variable-cost subscriptions. We have that trust in our corporate-managed OpenAI tenant and have good governance and budget controls there, so BYOK lets us have flexibility to put different frontends in front of our trusted execution environment for different use cases.
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#73I'm personally looking forward to this change because I currently pay $20/month just to get edit prediction. I use Claude Code in my terminal for everything else. I do wish I could just pay for edit prediction at an even lower price, but I can understand why that's not an option. I'm curious if they have plans to improve edit prediction though. It's honestly kind of garbage compared to Cursor, and I don't think I'm b…
We have a significant investment underway in edit predictions. We hear you, more soon.
This is very very exciting.
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#74Why is most of the AI-tooling industry still stuck on this "bring your own key" model?
The companies actually providing the models charge by token and this lets the tooling avoid having to do cost planning for something with a bunch of unknowns and push the risk of overspend to customers.
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#75I was just thinking this morning about how I think Zed should rethink their subscription because its a bit pricey if they're going to let you just use Claude Code. I am in the process of trying out Claude and figured just going to them for the subscriptions makes more sense. I think Zed had a lot of good concepts where they could make paid AI benefits optional longer term. I like that you can join your devs to look a…
> I'm still upset so many hosted models dont just let you use your subscription on things like Zed or JetBrains AI, what's the point of a monthly subscription if I can only use your LLM in a browser?
This is her another reason why CLI-based coding agents will win. Every editor out there trying to be the middle man between you and an AI provider is nuts.
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#76Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…
VSCode is my go to for large text file interaction on macOS.
TextEdit may be worth looking into as well? Haven’t tested it for large files before.
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#77Tokens are an implementation detail that have no business being part of product pricing.
It's deliberate obfuscation. First, there's the simple math of converting tokens to dollars. This is easy enough; people are familiar with "credits". Credits can be obfuscation, but at least they're honest. The second and more difficult obfuscation to untangle is how one converts "tokens" to "value".
When the value customers receive from tokens slips, they pay the same price for the service. But generative AI companies are under no obligation to refund anything, because the customer paid for tokens, and they got tokens in return. Customers have to trust that they're being given the highest quality tokens the provider can generate. I don't have that trust.
Additionally, they have to trust that generative AI companies aren't padding results with superfluous tokens to hit revenue targets. We've all seen how much fluff is in default LLM responses.
Pinky promises don't make for healthy business relationships.
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#78Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…
Similar experience: I added a folder to my zed project that was too big, causing zed to lock up and eventually crash. But because the default setting was to re-open projects on launch, I was stuck in a loop where I couldn’t remove the folder either. Eventually found a way to clear the recent projects, load an empty editor, and change the setting to avoid it in the future.
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#79Token based pricing generally makes a lot of sense for companies like Zed, but it sure does suck for forecasting spend. Usage pricing on something like aws is pretty easy to figure out. You know what you're going to use, so you just do some simple arithmetic and you've got a pretty accurate idea. Even with serverless it's pretty easy. Tokens are so much harder, especially when using it in a development setting. It's…
My rant on token-based pricing is primarily based on the difficulty in consistently forecasting spend.....and also that the ongoing value of a token is controlled by the vendor...."the house always wins"
https://forstarters.substack.com/p/for-starters-59-on-credit...
Re: Zed's Pricing Has Changed: LLM Usage Is Now Token-Based
#80Zed was supposed to be the answer to Atom / Sublime Text in my opinion, and I kinda do want to use it as my main driver, but it just isn’t there yet for me. It’s shameful because I like its aesthetics as a product more than the competition out there. Just this other day I tried using it for something it sort of advertised itself as the superior thing, which was to load this giant text file I had instantly and let me…
VSCode is my go to for large text file interaction on macOS. TextEdit may be worth looking into as well? Haven’t tested it for large files before.
I have Sublime Text installed for the onlu use case of opening large files. Nothing comes close.