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Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by tptacek »

tjs8rj wrote: post #61
bcrosby95 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah, social sciences don't say that. It's a common misconception - borne out of people who don't want to engage with what they're actually saying, or from engaging with people who don't know what social sciences actually say. All they really say is some people have an advantage. It doesn't mean they have it easy. We get advantages from all parts of life, and refusing to engage with recognizing them is a decision, but…

White privilege is a specific case of the phenomenon: “if you live in the culture built by your culture, you will benefit”, which is the whole point of culture in the first place. A Japanese person has Japanese privilege in Japan, an Egyptian in Egypt, etc If you’re “culturally American” in America (regardless of race), you will benefit. If you’re White and culturally American in parts of America where White American…

What parts of Chicago would those be, and what are the impacts of those purported disadvantages?

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by jjk166 »

snapplebobapple wrote: post #67
bikenaga wrote: post #64

This paper by Gilens and Page (2014) is referenced in the original paper and is interesting in its own right (if someone has a better link, please post): https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli... "Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-gr…

Isnt that the expected outcome and why there is a second amendment? When the elite leeching gets too bad the constitutiin says you are supposed to kill them all and let god sort them out no?

Given that the second amendment was put in place by those very elites; that seems unlikely.

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by snapplebobapple »

jjk166 wrote: post #72
snapplebobapple wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isnt that the expected outcome and why there is a second amendment? When the elite leeching gets too bad the constitutiin says you are supposed to kill them all and let god sort them out no?

Given that the second amendment was put in place by those very elites; that seems unlikely.

True, but they had a massive inferiority complex and were deathly afraid of the government (having just been abused enough to fight a war against the government). They are not the elites the second amendment is for, it's for the equivalent of the british.

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by rixed »

lefstathiou wrote: post #15

My two cents, I believe there is an nuance worth deliniating, specifically differentiating between being elite "in status" vs being elite "in nature." Painting broad strokes here for the sake of this post (so take with a grain of salt)... Many people born into or groomed for an elite status (via inherited wealth, rich families, strong support systems, etc) are rationally self preservationists. They were born on third…

Tihs is complicated by the fact that we seem to intimaly comply with others expectations.

That is to say, if I'm expected to be a hard worker, I will work harder than if I'm expected to be a lazy sloth. If I'm expected to behave kindly, I will indeed behave kinder than if I'm called "that scoundrel" all my childhood. If people think I must be "a genius like my father/mother" I will picture myself one and study harder. And so on. Not just because I want to deceive or am afraid to disapoint, but also because personalities are made up of such expectations, coming from us or others, and who we want to be, even unconsciously, influence who we end up being.

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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supriyo-biswas wrote: post #45
crmd wrote: post #12

This paper perfectly demonstrates two HR axioms I have observed in a 20 year tech journey from IC system engineer to retired unicorn CTO: 1. Total compensation varies obscenely within the organization. It correlates moderately with intelligence and in no way with effort. Some of the most useless articles you work with make the most money. 2. Leadership really, really, really does not want peers sharing compensation i…

There's a now deleted comment that touched upon some of the issues on making compensation information public; I have very similar views as above so I'll write my own: 1. There are skillsets/capabilities that the organization finds difficult to get on the market, as well as brings disproportionate profits to the organization. For example, a database company may need to hire two software engineers, one writing CRUD app…

> People usually like to believe that they're at least better than average

A majority of people can believe that they are better than the average, and be right.

Now, if we were speaking about the median...

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by tjs8rj »

tptacek wrote: post #71
tjs8rj wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

White privilege is a specific case of the phenomenon: “if you live in the culture built by your culture, you will benefit”, which is the whole point of culture in the first place. A Japanese person has Japanese privilege in Japan, an Egyptian in Egypt, etc If you’re “culturally American” in America (regardless of race), you will benefit. If you’re White and culturally American in parts of America where White American…

What parts of Chicago would those be, and what are the impacts of those purported disadvantages?

Englewood for instance, increased likelihood of murder being the main disadvantage.

Re: Are elites meritocratic and efficiency-seeking? Evidence from MBA students

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Post by tptacek »

tjs8rj wrote: post #76
tptacek wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What parts of Chicago would those be, and what are the impacts of those purported disadvantages?

Englewood for instance, increased likelihood of murder being the main disadvantage.

No, you are much less likely to be murdered in Englewood as a white person than as a Black person.
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