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Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by velcrovan »

oceanplexian wrote: post #48
velcrovan wrote: post #25

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model. This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” ( https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers ) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Coll…

I mean, you shouldn't need to read a wall of text to understand what a business model is. It should be front and center, communicated clearly, and easy to understand. If I was an investor, the lack of clarity after reading a few paragraphs would concern me.

It definitely isn't an aerated Linkedin post full of single-sentence paragraphs and emoji, but it's also certainly not a "wall of text". It's what we used to call a "blog post", it has very readable paragraphs broken up into short titled sections.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by CrulesAll »

motorest wrote: post #57
lapcat wrote: post #31

> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…

I see what you mean, and I am divided on the issue. On one hand, I don't think it's fair to have AI companies to freely scrape the world without fairly compensating content producers. On the other hand, adding more gatekeepers to the web ends up killing it. This feels like a lose-lose situation.

That feels like a bog basic false choice fallacy.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

People generally have the sense that the internet is a free for all, and compensating creators is optional (i.e. I don't have to load the ads on your website if I don't want to, your ads are malware, your ads are scams, it's my eyes, etc. etc.).

I'm not sure why there would be an expectation from most users that AI should compensate creators.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by nickysielicki »

lapcat wrote: post #31

> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…

> Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the internet, Cloudflare.

Nothing in their idea challenges the underlying tech behind the internet. Anyone is free to compete in constructing a reverse proxy service with LLM-centric content controls similar to cloudflare, whether that’s AWS WAF or akamai or some new startup.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by CrulesAll »

lapcat wrote: post #31

> As we think about our role at Cloudflare in this developing market, it's not about protecting the status quo but instead helping catalyze a better business model for the future of Internet content creation. That means creating a level playing field. Ideally there should be lots of AI companies, large and small, and lots of content creators, large and small. Not mentioned: there would be a single gatekeeper for the…

And of all companies Cloudflare. People, research their business practices...

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by voxgen »

velcrovan wrote: post #25

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model. This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” ( https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers ) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Coll…

> without punishing regular browsing humans.

As a content consumer, I'm also hoping to be part of the ecosystem. I already use Patreon a lot as "AdBlock absolution", but it doesn't fix the market dynamics. Major content platforms tend to stagnate or worsen over time, because they prefer to sell impressions to advertisers than a good product to consumers.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by paxys »

velcrovan wrote: post #71
oceanplexian wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, you shouldn't need to read a wall of text to understand what a business model is. It should be front and center, communicated clearly, and easy to understand. If I was an investor, the lack of clarity after reading a few paragraphs would concern me.

It definitely isn't an aerated Linkedin post full of single-sentence paragraphs and emoji, but it's also certainly not a "wall of text". It's what we used to call a "blog post", it has very readable paragraphs broken up into short titled sections.

These days all content has to be in the form of a catchy 6 word tweet or 10 second reel to keep people's attention.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by beambot »

andy99 wrote: post #45
velcrovan wrote: post #25

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model. This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” ( https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers ) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Coll…

> As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. So you use a public resource and presumably like the upside that comes with sharing on it, but you want to limit uses now that someone has found one that you don't like, so you're fine with degrading that public resource? You could always share things privately or behind a paywall if you don't…

You can put images up on a public website, but you still retain copyright & can control the images' use. This is no different from any kind of digital content...

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by paxys »

grahameb wrote: post #3

I hope that the next big shift will be to undo the asymmetry that crept into the internet quickly after it first became popular. Let us host stuff at home. Let us run odd and strange and great systems wherever we are. Undo the cloud, undo the capture of the net – I'm old enough to remember when we just had a bunch of boxen under a desk somewhere, and it was pretty great.

Who is stopping you from doing any of this?
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