I kinda want Oracle to go further and insist that no-one can call it "JavaScript" any more. Let's all it "JS" and completely break from Java. "What does JS stand for?" "It stands for itself."
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Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#72The simple solution is to write everything (for the browser) in TypeScript instead and treat JavaScript only as the compilation target noone actually talks about. And compiling to JavaScript might also become a thing of the past with Webassembly. So, I think we shouldn't care about JavaScript as a name.
JavaScript is a nice compilation target because with a few extra flags, it’s actually very readable.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am fairly sure Microsoft owns the typescript trademark.
I used https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/ and didn't find it listed there. It used to belong to Lotus. It seems that MS has not trademarked TypeScript.
Yes you are right, apparently not TypeScript or TS.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#74I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
Imagine the kind of media attention / clout they'll get for "beating Oracle" etc. They absolutely do get material gains from this, should they succeed. It'd be a much more legitimate effort if they were just asking people to raise funds for e.g. OpenJS to file suit etc.
Litigation is not just 'file and forget'. Deno, or any other organisation, needs to contribute in time and effort for several years. In my opinion, "media attention / clout" is a fair compensation.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#75I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
Imagine the kind of media attention / clout they'll get for "beating Oracle" etc. They absolutely do get material gains from this, should they succeed. It'd be a much more legitimate effort if they were just asking people to raise funds for e.g. OpenJS to file suit etc.
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Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#76I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
Imagine the kind of media attention / clout they'll get for "beating Oracle" etc. They absolutely do get material gains from this, should they succeed. It'd be a much more legitimate effort if they were just asking people to raise funds for e.g. OpenJS to file suit etc.
I want Deno to succeed. They already have enough challenges between bun and Node taking all of their good ideas and incorporating them. I want the ecosystem to have more options.
This is Oracle we are talking about here. I would cut off my nose to spite Oracle’s face if necessary, they are some of the worst corporate actors in the history of the world. And that is not an exaggeration.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#77I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
They don't have the right to do this. Oracle safeguards the JavaScript trademark against abuse with it's powerful legal teams and has a track record of good stewardship. These guys want to hijack their property and let it loose to the wild west. Who knows what unethical actors will do with it..
For example, low effort trolling, or self-propagating supply chain attacks.
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#78I don't get the hate here. This is practically a public service and Deno doesn't have any direct or obvious material gains from this. Definitely not more then dozens of other projects (from Chrome to Node.js to Tutorial sites and any company offering something with JS) So what if they are a VC backed company? If you perform a public service, it's fair to ask the public for money. No one is suggesting this money would…
They don't have the right to do this. Oracle safeguards the JavaScript trademark against abuse with it's powerful legal teams and has a track record of good stewardship. These guys want to hijack their property and let it loose to the wild west. Who knows what unethical actors will do with it..
The entire point is that oracle has done nothing with the trademark - especially not being a good steward. What bizarro world are you living in?
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#79> If we don’t win discovery, Oracle locks in ownership of the word “JavaScript.” This is the decisive moment. One more reason to move away from it and finally get some sanity back in webdev.
What alternative do you propose to Javascript for interactive functionality on a web page?
Re: Help us raise $200k to free JavaScript from Oracle
#80> If we don’t win discovery, Oracle locks in ownership of the word “JavaScript.” This is the decisive moment. One more reason to move away from it and finally get some sanity back in webdev.
What alternative do you propose to Javascript for interactive functionality on a web page?
we could always use wasm, right?