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Should we drain the Everglades?

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Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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“a few meters above sea level” is still not sea level. That’s a good 12-15 feet to work with.

Iirc, there are scientific estimates that Greenland's ice sheet alone would raise sea levels by 24 ft if it melted. 12-15 ft may really not be enough for very long.

It’s already probably not enough to weather a 25-100 year storm (looking forward to compute storm frequency).

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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One thing I don’t understand is why so many appreciate the Everglades. To me a landscape infested with aggressive animals (gators) doesn’t sound attractive or safe. Between them and the invasive snakes I feel like you would need to be on guard all the time. Maybe drain it, replace it with different animals that are friendly, and then refill it. I’m only sort of joking.

It sounds like hurricanes keep it topped off. So then what, you design some poison to only attack gators, then find out later it poisons people too? Because draining it and then discovering that underground wells turn to saltwater isn't enough?

It’s fine. Future generations can just put the freshwater back in the wells, like we currently do to keep Silicon Valley from sinking into the bay.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

#73

Speaking of the uncanny feeling of shallow water, there are parts of the Florida keys where you can paddle a kayak a good half a mile from shore and still be in 2-4 ft of water. It's a great place to learn a new watersport as if you fall in you can just stand up.

Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators!

>> Speaking of the uncanny feeling of shallow water, there are parts of the Florida keys ...

> Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators!

FWIW, neither leeches nor alligators are indigenous to salt water, which is what surrounds the Florida keys.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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One thing I don’t understand is why so many appreciate the Everglades. To me a landscape infested with aggressive animals (gators) doesn’t sound attractive or safe. Between them and the invasive snakes I feel like you would need to be on guard all the time. Maybe drain it, replace it with different animals that are friendly, and then refill it. I’m only sort of joking.

> Maybe drain it, replace it with different animals that are friendly, and then refill it. I’m only sort of joking.

It's not a zoo. Jungle Island might be more your speed. Staff have chastised me for rubbing the kangaroos' bellies, saying they really don't like that, but in my defense he rolled over for me to do it. YMMV.

What lead me to appreciating the Everglades was randomly deciding to go to Shark Valley / Bobcat Boardwalk Trail on some cold day in February. The annoying bugs were mostly gone to wherever they go when it's cold, the 'gators were lounging around trying to catch some warmth, and the anhingas and other water birds were quite active. I caught a guided walking tour somewhere and what really stuck with me was how every tiny rise in elevation up to a few feet completely changes the ecosystem. I'd lived in Florida practically my whole life until then and never really "seen" that but from then on I could never not see it. I left 15 years ago and whenever I drive home for a visit, crossing that threshold into southern Florida where I start seeing it again brings me comfort.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everglades#Ecosystems

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators!

>> Speaking of the uncanny feeling of shallow water, there are parts of the Florida keys ... > Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators! FWIW, neither leeches nor alligators are indigenous to salt water, which is what surrounds the Florida keys.

Alligators maybe not, but in the one time that I have paddleboarded in the keys I saw a crocodile. Probably a crocodile rather than a gator, I didn’t get that close… but from reading articles they’ll occasionally eat a small dog around there, so they are definitely out there.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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I used to live in this part of the country. There's an insane amount of disregard for the environment and climate. Yes, new buildings have to be reinforced against hurricanes. But they are still building new houses only a few meters above sea level, as if sea level rise wasn't already unavoidable. And on the largest scale, there is a limit to the amount of fresh groundwater that wells along the South Florida coast ca…

How do you feel about Holland?

Well.. what’s the level of belief in climate change among elected Dutch leaders?

https://floridaphoenix.com/2024/05/15/desantis-signs-bill-er...

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> Speaking of the uncanny feeling of shallow water, there are parts of the Florida keys ... > Leeches freak me out, I can't imagine swimming with (or falling on) the gators! FWIW, neither leeches nor alligators are indigenous to salt water, which is what surrounds the Florida keys.

Alligators maybe not, but in the one time that I have paddleboarded in the keys I saw a crocodile. Probably a crocodile rather than a gator, I didn’t get that close… but from reading articles they’ll occasionally eat a small dog around there, so they are definitely out there.

Saltwater crocs do exist in southern Florida, no doubt. And there's some chance a gator could swim from one island to another (or the mainland).

The easiest way to discern each is based on their snout. If the reptile you saw has a blunt nose about the same width as its jaw, then it's a gator. If, instead, the jaw looked more like a trapezoid, then it's a croc.

Both are opportunistic hunters capable of taking down mammals up to adult bovines or horses. The latter two examples are rare as the size of the croc/gator has to be rather large.

Re: Should we drain the Everglades?

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As a Pasco county alumni, I think we should drop the people who want to drain the everglades off in the everglades and leave them in there until they gain an appreciation for the scenery.

Do we really want to introduce more invasive species into the Everglades?

Whatever the karma is on this, it should be double
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