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Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by kergonath »

charcircuit wrote: post #55
randunel wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The websites you speak of don't get to decide what my hardware and my software does when running in my hands. Their content is a suggestion for my user agent, not some unbreakable law. If they don't like it, they should shut down completely.

That's why the parent said it was a social contact based on the honor system. Just because you can technically block ads, it doesn't meant it's the right thing to do.

It is not a social contract. They track me whether I use their services or not, on websites that are completely unrelated. I do not get a choice, not to mention the monopolies they built (yeah, fuck YouTube). These ads eat up my resources and affect my battery life.

There is no more honour involved as when someone pays the mob for protection. I strongly reject this argument. I am bound by honour but they can do anything and change the contract unilaterally? Fuck them, that’s no contract at all.

Re: No adblocker detected

#72

Post by strken »

toastercat wrote: post #41

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of ads and I don't have a lot of respect for the modern ad networks. However this culture of expecting websites to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Websites are willing to host and organise a vast number of content because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may freeload…

The problem is that commercial ad-supported websites force themselves into all available online spaces: search results, discords, social media, affiliate links on blogs. The only way to stop them doing so is to take away their source of revenue.

If ads weren't profitable, you wouldn't find no results for your search about which kitchen knife to buy, you would would find better, less weaponised, more relevant results. If you don't block ads then you are directly contributing to a world with more ads and less content.

Re: No adblocker detected

#73

Post by landgenoot »

cookiengineer wrote: post #62
dheera wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

setTimeout(() => { // fuck up all future javascripts setTimeout = setInterval = requestAnimationFrame = () => {}; Element.prototype.appendChild = () => { throw new Error("Blocked"); }; document.addEventListener = () => {}; window.addEventListener = () => {}; Object.defineProperty(document, "readyState", { get: () => { throw new Error("No JS"); } }); document.write = () => {}; // fuck up canvas if(window.HTMLCanvasEle…

Is there a Browser extension that farbles all these APIs on purpose instead of blocking them? By farbling I mean making the data look like it's the most common Windows configuration, for example.

I don't think that will work, because that will also provide false information to the logic.

You will have messed up layouts and unneeded quirks. Moreover, banks are using fingerprinting to detect fraud so you will have a hard time on those websites as well.

And more importantly.

https://xkcd.com/1105/

Re: No adblocker detected

#74

Post by charcircuit »

ryandrake wrote: post #69
charcircuit wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why the parent said it was a social contact based on the honor system. Just because you can technically block ads, it doesn't meant it's the right thing to do.

It's not any kind of contract. A contract (even an unwritten "social" one) implies at the very least some kind of agreement, some meeting of the minds. There is no meeting of the minds on the web: Your browser simply says "Hey, give me this content," then the server says, "Here's what I'd like you to show," and finally the browser decides what out of that stream of bytes gets shown. There's no agreement by the user i…

>Your browser simply says "Hey, give me this content,"

The technical details do not matter. Social contacts are about societal expectations, not about your personal ones. Do you think a thief has a meeting of the minds about not stealing something from a shop keeper? It's not the theifs world view that matters here. Similar to your example the physics of the world say it's possible for a human to pick up an item without paying for it, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by charcircuit »

ffsm8 wrote: post #70
charcircuit wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why the parent said it was a social contact based on the honor system. Just because you can technically block ads, it doesn't meant it's the right thing to do.

The social contract was broken by the website owner by including ads.

Even if so, while I disagree, two wrongs don't make a right.

Re: No adblocker detected

#76

Post by charcircuit »

kergonath wrote: post #71
charcircuit wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why the parent said it was a social contact based on the honor system. Just because you can technically block ads, it doesn't meant it's the right thing to do.

It is not a social contract. They track me whether I use their services or not, on websites that are completely unrelated. I do not get a choice, not to mention the monopolies they built (yeah, fuck YouTube). These ads eat up my resources and affect my battery life. There is no more honour involved as when someone pays the mob for protection. I strongly reject this argument. I am bound by honour but they can do anyth…

Your choice is to stop giving that place traffic.

Re: No adblocker detected

#77

Post by MaxikCZ »

safety1st wrote: post #63
toastercat wrote: post #41

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of ads and I don't have a lot of respect for the modern ad networks. However this culture of expecting websites to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Websites are willing to host and organise a vast number of content because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may freeload…

Well, hang on. Your comment is fair minded, but to be fair we have to consider the context. The context is that the courts have found Google holds two illegal monopolies within the online adtech market [1], the remedy for which has yet to be determined. Furthermore the DoJ has sued Meta for holding one as well and that trial is now underway. [2] I don't know about you, but to me, if the counterparty breaches a contra…

This is the best counterargument I have hard so far. Saving it and using it next time someone brings that up, hope you dont mind I stole it without generating $0.000000001 of ad revenue in compensation.

Re: No adblocker detected

#78

Post by MaxikCZ »

landgenoot wrote: post #49
est wrote: post #3

I wish browsers could just provide a way to disable javascript after page `onload`. Perhaps only enables js when user clicks something.

Tried to browse a while with NoScript addon. But barely any page loads, so you need to whitelist almost every page you visit, which defeats the purpose. I have been thinking about some kind of render proxy that runs all the JS for you somewhere else in a sandbox and sends you the screenshot or rendered HTML instead. Or maybe we could leverage an LLM to turn the Bloated JS garbage into the actual information you are l…

I am still running the NoScript, whitelisting the page I am on. It has benefits of not whitelisting other domains it tries to pull stuff from, which 90% is enough to get working site that is way cleaner than with all the bullshit loaded.

Re: No adblocker detected

#79

Post by oaiey »

toastercat wrote: post #41

I'm torn. I'm not a huge fan of ads and I don't have a lot of respect for the modern ad networks. However this culture of expecting websites to host the data then freeloading off it by blocking the tracking and ads is also a bit ugly. There is an unwritten social contract here. Websites are willing to host and organise a vast number of content because that'll attract an audience for ads. If there are too may freeload…

> modern ad networks

Ad networks have been that invasive since the early 2000s. They now only support more channels. It is a stone old business and literal the source of Google finances for a very long time.

Re: No adblocker detected

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

Ironically a content blocker on iOS Safari blocks this page from loading at all, I’m guessing because of the /ads/ in the URL rather than the domain. I didn’t see the notice on iOS after disabling the content blockers, but that’s probably because of the not enough space/off to the side constraint?
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