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Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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iMessage backups in the cloud are subject to warrants. Even if you don't use iCloud backups, can you be sure everyone you communicate with also abstains?

Aren’t those encrypted with a key that lives on your device only?

Only if you enable Advanced Data Protection, but in that case, yes, absolutely

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #56

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> outside of the West you probably mean outside of the USA, it's huge in Europe/UK (which doesn't contradict your main point)

It is huge in Latin America. USA is special because it is the (only?) country where iPhone has more users than Android.

It's crazy how an US company dominates the world's messaging market but not in the US

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of the West you probably mean outside of the USA, it's huge in Europe/UK (which doesn't contradict your main point)

It is huge in Latin America. USA is special because it is the (only?) country where iPhone has more users than Android.

iPhone has more users than Android in Canada and Japan as well. I think some Nordic countries too.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is huge in Latin America. USA is special because it is the (only?) country where iPhone has more users than Android.

It's crazy how an US company dominates the world's messaging market but not in the US

It’s not uncommon. Orkut back in the day was wildly popular in Latin America and India. WhatsApp is the same. I think users in NA have a lot of high quality options as against those in Asia and LatAm who don’t have much reliable options other than ones developed in NA.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> outside of the West you probably mean outside of the USA, it's huge in Europe/UK (which doesn't contradict your main point)

It is huge in Latin America. USA is special because it is the (only?) country where iPhone has more users than Android.

Yeah, huge in Latin America in the sense that a lot (most?) business only have a number that they use with Whatsapp (you can't call or even text them). Is it the same in Europe? Since I am from Latin America I never know if people from other continents use Whatsapp as much as we do, and if when I ask them to use Whatsapp I am imposing a new app or it's what they regularly use.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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Given how WhatsApp is the de-facto way to communicate outside of the West and China, these security/data-handling "weaknesses" are most likely a feature, not a bug. An absolute bonanza for the certain intelligence services. Remember, kids: End to end encryption is useless if the "ends" are fully controlled by an (untrustworthy) third party.

> outside of the West you probably mean outside of the USA, it's huge in Europe/UK (which doesn't contradict your main point)

I’m not sure that’s true. I’m fairly certain UK, France, AU, Canada WhatsApp is not vastly more popular than the blue bubble alternative. At least I believe this was the case a few years ago, based on data I’d seen.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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I hate Meta as much as the next person, but it feels like "endangering billions of users" is exagerating here. The complaint is pretty much that WhatsApp engineers can access metadata ( NOT the content of the messages). This said, WhatsApp is not open source, so it's impossible for users to verify how the encryption works, so users have to trust that it's properly end-to-end encrypted. If you care about privacy (and…

Metadata includes notifications, which often include the text of the message.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is huge in Latin America. USA is special because it is the (only?) country where iPhone has more users than Android.

It's crazy how an US company dominates the world's messaging market but not in the US

Instagram and iMessage are also US owned services.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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post #76

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> outside of the West you probably mean outside of the USA, it's huge in Europe/UK (which doesn't contradict your main point)

I’m not sure that’s true. I’m fairly certain UK, France, AU, Canada WhatsApp is not vastly more popular than the blue bubble alternative. At least I believe this was the case a few years ago, based on data I’d seen.

France and UK, from personal experience, whatsapp is big, especially for professional use, or friends/family groups.

Blue bubble isn't really a thing ever mentioned in France either, not enough iPhone market share.

Re: Ex-WhatsApp cybersecurity head says Meta endangered billions of users

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Unsurprising given it’s been an open secret for over a decade that Meta employees will (if you have the right contacts or amount of money), orchestrate banning or seizing long-standing active accounts with desirable usernames and giving them to their friends or the highest bidder.
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