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Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Why shouldn't they?

"Hunger in Abysland" // "Ah, right, I just started a diet" // "Immediately I thought it funny to remember that once we also had little to eat" Appropriateness.

My comment was not about suffering, war, starvation, or anything of the like. You've clearly added your own context and then judged me for it. Great job.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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> They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is great, but not if its used by your neighbours to stir up trouble. (the civil war was long https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepalese_Civil_War ) One thing the "west" ie the USA needs to understand (well they'll know very shortly) is that the right to consume propaganda from your countries enemies is not…

I heard TikTok has a Chinese version which promotes educational content, has time restrictions etc. The "export" version... not so much.

I have also heard (but never verified) this statement. Curious to know if it's true.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why shouldn't they?

"Hunger in Abysland" // "Ah, right, I just started a diet" // "Immediately I thought it funny to remember that once we also had little to eat" Appropriateness.

Right. Well, I think they were being perfectly appropriate and that your comparison is asinine: starvation is about as indisputably bad as one can think of, whereas missing out on social media really isn't. Almost as if highlighting that was my damn point, which they then found appreciable, and you clearly didn't.

Coincidentally related is why I withdrew myself from most online community spaces. Pretty much the only alternative to constantly and pointlessly arguing, or being reliant on content sorting and filtering. The latter two of which will constantly receive some (but on occasion a lot?) of commentary about being biased in some way, automatically or manually (how would one know?), fairly or unfairly (according to who?), and repressing dissent or giving a voice (usually both, but never to satisfaction).

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Americans: social media is bad! It should be banned. Americans, after an Asian country does it: free speech!!!

I was just thinking the same thing. This looks like a healthy dose of intervention. I am biased however in that I believe smaller groups of people should run their own forums and chat servers to slightly minimize the Corporatocracy social manipulation especially before AI gets a strong foothold. Most have a few geeks in their own social circle that can run a tiny forum and chat server. Less birds of a feather [1]

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Xxi0b9trY [video][documentary][44 mins]

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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What freedom of speech? The "first world countries" in Europe are slowly turning up the surveillance state to not let people online if they don't provide their IDs, they want to surveil every private conversation you have at home, if it uses the internet in any way, they'd love banning encryption, VPNs, etc... but you have freedom of speech? Except when talking about thinks that are deemed "pro enemy" (Russia or whoe…

Anonymity is not a prerequisite to freedom of speech. Broken lives of people harassed by anonymous trolls on social media are the dark side of anonymity. Freedom must be accompanied by responsibility and accountability.

> Anonymity is not a prerequisite to freedom of speech.

That's disingenous bullshit. From the likes of people who use their power imbalance to pretend their propaganda is truth and dissent is dangerous.

"Freedom of speech is ok but what you're doing is different" is the first step

> Broken lives of people harassed by anonymous trolls on social media are the dark side of anonymity.

You only need to pay attention to history to see what political totalitarianism means when there's no anonymity.

It's way worse than online trolls.

> Freedom must be accompanied by responsibility and accountability.

Said the dictator, who was accountable to no one. Those who hold the power shield themselves from accountability and want to use it as an excuse to prevent dissent.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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What freedom of speech? The "first world countries" in Europe are slowly turning up the surveillance state to not let people online if they don't provide their IDs, they want to surveil every private conversation you have at home, if it uses the internet in any way, they'd love banning encryption, VPNs, etc... but you have freedom of speech? Except when talking about thinks that are deemed "pro enemy" (Russia or whoe…

Democracy cannot survive unless we find a way to ensure we know when are listening to the people that are part of our demos and NOT people that are outside of it, actively trying to destroy it. We had freedom of speech in the west before the Internet. That speech was not anonymous.

Hahaha. Fuck off with the "it's the enemy bullshit". You'll call people "russians" if they don't agree with your jingoism.

You'll try and get people against wars fired.

Post your name right now. Real name and address. If that's what you want, right?

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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Anonymity is not a prerequisite to freedom of speech. Broken lives of people harassed by anonymous trolls on social media are the dark side of anonymity. Freedom must be accompanied by responsibility and accountability.

> Anonymity is not a prerequisite to freedom of speech. That's disingenous bullshit. From the likes of people who use their power imbalance to pretend their propaganda is truth and dissent is dangerous. "Freedom of speech is ok but what you're doing is different" is the first step > Broken lives of people harassed by anonymous trolls on social media are the dark side of anonymity. You only need to pay attention to hi…

Democracy for quite some time thrived in US (and for some shorter time in other western countries) even though there was no anonymity while free speech was guaranteed by the state. In other words: anonymity is not a solution for lack of free speech. I should be free to say whatever I want without being forced to hide behind a nickname.

Secondly: I think you are happy to not being the target of online violence. I have experience with teens on the brink of suicide caused by it.

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

and the governments of the west are most supportive of authoritarian and military regimes. Why are they silent over what is happening in Pakistan? Pakistan election was stollen by Pakistan army in day light robbery. And what happened before the election is another story. Pakistan is going through worst form of its human right/freedom of speech/democratic abuses since its independence and west seems to be careless. Just because people of Pakistan support a person who is nationalist. So, for them a dictator is better than him.

Democracy/free speech/human rights are tools for west, not a moral high ground. Hypocrisy at its peak. :)

Re: Nepal Bans 26 Social Media Platforms, Including Facebook and YouTube

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People in the west are so used to freedom of speech and so focused on problems with social media. They miss the fact, that many authoritarian governments in Asia see freedom of speech in social media as a threat. They are not banning Facebook to improve quality of life, they want to limit freedom of speech.

If free speech in America goes away, the rest of the world will suffer for it as well.

People get worked up about "hate speech" a very arbitrary thing, that changes over time, but they don't realize the slippery slope that creates if you try to police speech.

The things I've seen Australians and even British people arrested for posting or commenting on online is absurd. The people who support it are fine with it, until they're the ones being reported and getting into trouble, and handcuffed for making a one off remark that otherwise seemed innocent at the time.

Remember, these governments eventually can and will use AI models to monitor your speech. People around the world should seriously advocate for free speech more now than ever.

Also remember, the key thing in America about free speech is that the government has no say in what speech is allowed. You still have consequences for your speech from others.

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