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Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by littlecranky67 »

lordhumphrey wrote: post #64
nomilk wrote: post #6

The choice citizens have now is between an 'internet licence' (submit ID's to myriad sites), or an 'internet tax' (VPN). Super annoying! Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites), the incentives hint this was strongly supported by legacy media (90% of Aussie media is owned by two companies, Newscorp and Nine Entertainment). The internet licence will make it diffi…

The 'internet tax' will not last, either, I fear. Loads of VPNs are simply, someone other than the local ISP gets your data. Mullvad seems trustworthy, as an exception to this, and who else? And even then, Mullvad faces issues from websites and censorious countries trying to block it and bother its users all the time.

Proton includes a VPN in their office365 competitor Proton Business Suite. While big sites like Netflix don't want you to use VPN, I am sure porn sites are very happy to let you through once your VPN address is not longer in a jurisdiction that requires AV.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by edu »

anal_reactor wrote: post #69
edu wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But I think a big difference is that while the current parent generation grow up with free access to internet, our access was limited usually to the family computer. For us internet access was a bit of a ritual—find a computer and got some privacy. Or you could risk getting caught at the computer lab. Now, the internet is ubiquitous and many kids have access to connected devices all the time (computers, tablets, smar…

But I think a big difference is that while the current parent generation grow up with family computers, our access was limited usually to porn magazines. For us magazines were a bit of a ritual—find one and got some privacy. Or you could risk getting caught at the library. Now, the internet is ubiquitous and many kids have access to connected devices at their homes (computers, landline phones) and it's harder to over…

I totally agree on the easiness of accessing content

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

high_na_euv wrote: post #33
jjcob wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can't tell the difference in any domain. People copy what they see. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Mainstream porn sites show a lot of weird practices (what's up with that strangulation fetish??) and I do think it has a bad influence. I don't think age verification is a good solution, because we don't become immune to influence at age 18. Adults are just as vulner…

>. It's why James Bond stopped smoking in movies, and people smoke far less now. Lol what, what makes you think it was caused by James Bond, not countless other anti smoking initiatives?

Characters in movies stopped (or reduced a lot) smoking pretty much across the board.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by prmoustache »

Porn will never disappear the same way prostitution will never disappear. It exists even in countries were people can be faced with death sentences.

Instead of age verification, I'd rather see a discussion on how to make a form of ethical porn more visible and popular than the one which involves sex trafficking, sexism and violent or degrading practices. I'd rather see good porn more accessible to teenager than letting them use workarounds and visit terrible stuff.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by txrx0000 »

edu wrote: post #59
txrx0000 wrote: post #26

It's much easier to implement user-configurable client-side filters at the application and OS level than censor the entire Internet. But of course that's not what it's about. Online age verification and content moderation was never about protecting anyone. It's about controlling the masses and tricking them into believing that it's for their own good.

I agree that client-side filters would be a great solution, but I see two issues there: 1) Not everybody would know how to do it 2) This creates a weakest link problem, where in a class of say 15 kids, just having one with a non-blocked device would allow for all to see. I don't know what would be good solution, maybe something intermediate... for example, filtering at the ISP level and making it mandatory for them t…

1) It's up to the parents to decide whether they want to put in the effort to look up how to use the parental control settings for their own child.

2) It's up to the child to decide who they want to associate with in school and in society, and up to the parents to advise their child in their decision-making.

Presumably, the parents are the ones buying the child's device, so this can be done at the OS level. The parent creates a user account for the child and a password-protected admin account for themselves on the new device, and only allow the firewall settings to be changed by the admin account. We can even implement offline on-device neural network-based detection and filtering, and you decide what to filter.

If the child is old enough to work and buy their own device, then it's debatable whether they should be moderated at all.

The problem with filtering at beyond the device level is widespread censorship, surveillance, and the erosion of the freedoms of the common man. The systems being built for supposedly the safety of the children are much too powerful that I can't help but question their true purpose.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by blitzar »

edu wrote: post #54
blitzar wrote: post #48

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Parents dont want to be the "bad guy" or parents in any real sense.

I think it's more the case that many parents are not tech savvy enough to even know that's possible or how to do it. Also, this create a safety net which seems too fragile, as you just need one family that doesn't do it to potentially expose all their friends.

It's no different to the phones for toddlers at school - they can, they know how, they are just even more affected by FOMO, peer pressure and judgement than children.

The other excuses are all just cope - little Timmy will just find a way around the blocks is true. Little Timmy can also get Heroin if he really wants or just one family might offer all the kids a hit on a crack pipe but it isn't an excuse to keep a needle, pipe and some fresh gear in the living room.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by happymellon »

edu wrote: post #54
blitzar wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents dont want to be the "bad guy" or parents in any real sense.

I think it's more the case that many parents are not tech savvy enough to even know that's possible or how to do it. Also, this create a safety net which seems too fragile, as you just need one family that doesn't do it to potentially expose all their friends.

The rules can be whatever they want them to be.

Block adult sites by default (much like a lot of phone companies already do) and the account owner can go in a make changes.

You only need one kid with a fake id that works, or for them to discover AI that can fake faces on a webcam to potentially expose all their friends...

Lazyness is a terrible excuse

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #53
jakobnissen wrote: post #21

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But kids (and adults) are exposed to all kinds of fantasies. War is not like Call of Duty. The Mafia is not like GTA. Monarchy is not like in the fairy tales. Romance is not like Twilight. BDSM is not like 50 Shades of Grey. For all these things, we rely on people's world experience and common sense to figure it out. I think it's pretty obvious that sex is not like porn, and I don't understand why so many people are…

It's different. One big part of the reason has already been said in sibling comments: taboo. Kids know that the huge jumps in martial arts movies are impossible because they jump when they play, they have seen their friends and classmates jump, they probably have tried flying kicks when playing so they get an idea of where the limits are. Nothing of this happens with sex, plus often they aren't exposed to anyone talk…

Taboo exactly; I will freely talk with colleagues and friends about e.g. GTA or action movies; watching movies and playing games is a communal and public thing.

But nobody talks about what they do in the bedroom; nobody goes to a movie theater to watch porn, people are awkward when there's sex scenes in films (and mainstream films have stopped having them altogether it seems), teenagers run away if their parents ever broach the subject, etcetera.

Re: Age verification doesn’t work

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Post by classified »

nomilk wrote: post #6

The choice citizens have now is between an 'internet licence' (submit ID's to myriad sites), or an 'internet tax' (VPN). Super annoying! Given Australia doesn't even require Age Verification on porn sites (only on social media sites), the incentives hint this was strongly supported by legacy media (90% of Aussie media is owned by two companies, Newscorp and Nine Entertainment). The internet licence will make it diffi…

> or an 'internet tax'

As always, the rich get to buy their way out of pretty much everything while the poor get the crap treatment.

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