Earlier quoted context omitted.
But then X just gets banned in said country
This is acceptable.
For the world and Turkey, yes, for X, no.
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
Elon fights UK, Brazil, Australia, Germany, and other democracies but turns a blind eye to every autocracy on the planet engaging in far more insidious censorship. Worse he will genuflect towards those autocrats. Interesting.
>Elon fights UK, Brazil, Australia, Germany, and other democracies Care to share the sources that Elon fought those countries? Because the Wikipedia list of Twitter censorship shows that X complied with the majority requests from those countries.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1811783320839008381
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The European Commission offered an illegal secret deal: if we quietly censored speech without telling anyone, they would not fine us.
The other platforms accepted that deal.
X did not.
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How do you measure viable? Twitter is still the best place to hear and read about breaking news.
citation needed on that "best" designation. It's certainly A place to hear about breaking news. Maybe the best place to hear about elon or tesla news fast. but anything else? Been keeping up with the gamedev industry just fine on my twitter-less socials.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Elon fights UK, Brazil, Australia, Germany, and other democracies Care to share the sources that Elon fought those countries? Because the Wikipedia list of Twitter censorship shows that X complied with the majority requests from those countries.
Elon Musk stirred the pot in the UK during the summer riots of 2024 posting on twitter: > civil war is inevitable as the owner of a key media platform in the world that sort of statement is indefensible. He's also picked a side in Germany by weighing in with as much support as possible for AfD. Don't pick this as a hill to die on, that man isn't worth it.
I do not know about Germany, but I would characterise Elon's attempts to gain political influence in the UK as failed.
He tried to bribe one party to accept an extremist as a member in return for a huge bribe, and he failed.
He does not seem to have much influence on public opinion.
I do not think its accurate to say he was fighting countries either. He was trying to buy influence. Its not the same thing.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I happened to be in Istanbul during the Gezi Park uprising in 2013. I didn't participate in the protests, but I did manage to wander into the wrong place at the wrong time and got teargassed pretty good and hard. I sheltered from the gas and the water cannons and the soldiers with a group of protestors overnight and got to learn from them firsthand. They were using Twitter extensively to coordinate and to find out wh…
All material facts are correct - but let's also remember that the world in 2013 doesn't exist anymore. In 2013, the authoritarianism was not on the rise. Arab Spring gave people hope. Gezi people were not only protesting, but also enjoying their uprising, singing, dreaming. Today - all of that is gone. Most western democracies succumbed to levels of authoritarianism. Let alone the number of active wars and conflicts…
> but let's also remember that the world in 2013 doesn't exist anymore
Yep. In 2013 the social networks all found out that they can sell censorship to governments all over the world and their users wouldn't even notice it.
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#76They have to follow the law of the country as tyrannical as it is like they did in Brazil. I hope one day they say fuck it.
What other moral standard is there besides laws? Is it that the laws of non-tyrannical countries should override those of tyrannical ones? How do you decide tyrannicalness? Or should internet companies decide what should be allowed in other countries despite those countries and their populations disagreeing? Great firewalls are the solution when nobody can agree with each other across borders but that's a pity.
The uncorrupted law would be a good start.
I'd bet 3:1 that what Erdogan is doing is illegal according to Turkish law as interpreted by a neutral and reasonable judge, but he's doing it anyway. Most countries' laws are much more agreeable than what the government actually does.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Elon Musk stirred the pot in the UK during the summer riots of 2024 posting on twitter: > civil war is inevitable as the owner of a key media platform in the world that sort of statement is indefensible. He's also picked a side in Germany by weighing in with as much support as possible for AfD. Don't pick this as a hill to die on, that man isn't worth it.
I do not know about Germany, but I would characterise Elon's attempts to gain political influence in the UK as failed. He tried to bribe one party to accept an extremist as a member in return for a huge bribe, and he failed. He does not seem to have much influence on public opinion. I do not think its accurate to say he was fighting countries either. He was trying to buy influence. Its not the same thing.
The man owns twitter ffs. The only way his attempts to gain political influence will ever fail is if the UK government block access to twitter or British people decide to stop using it. Until then he has significant capacity to sway political opinion.
As an example: there is significant power in cultivating the default UK experience of twitter for new accounts, which he's already had significant impact on by culling Twitter's internal moderation team. I've experienced it myself and its a an absolute disaster zone of disinformation and bot accounts trying to stoke internal divisions.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not know about Germany, but I would characterise Elon's attempts to gain political influence in the UK as failed. He tried to bribe one party to accept an extremist as a member in return for a huge bribe, and he failed. He does not seem to have much influence on public opinion. I do not think its accurate to say he was fighting countries either. He was trying to buy influence. Its not the same thing.
The man owns twitter ffs. The only way his attempts to gain political influence will ever fail is if the UK government block access to twitter or British people decide to stop using it. Until then he has significant capacity to sway political opinion. As an example: there is significant power in cultivating the default UK experience of twitter for new accounts, which he's already had significant impact on by culling…
You would think so, but he seems to have had remarkably little impact so far.
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#79Even if X is acting under a court order in Turkey, the shadow-ban–like behavior on a global platform is concerning. Hiding posts algorithmically goes beyond legal compliance and raises serious questions about whether X is protecting free speech or quietly facilitating censorship.
AI comment?
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#80I am not an Elon or X fan, and I don’t think this is Good, but Twitter’s policy pre-X to comply with national content laws was to geo-block content when a government demanded it be blocked. I don’t recall if the algorithmic shadow-ban was in that toolkit pre-X as well, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Again, I don’t think this is a good outcome, but it’s not substantially at odds with what Twitter pre-Elon would’ve done…
I guess the thing is that Musk does actually fight this sort of thing, but seemingly only on certain topics that align with his pretty far-out views. It's rather hard to take that in good faith. This is "For my friends, everything. For my enemies, the law." kind of stuff. Old Twitter wasn't perfect, but at least tried to be somewhat neutral and even-handed.
I got off the bandwagon of old Twitter when they decided to respond to the US electing a Twitter troll President not by enforcing their own policy, but by modifying that policy to create a narrow carve-out of "newsworthiness" for a specific account that could then, more or less, disregard their policies wholesale.
New Twitter is worse, but the Twitter of the past had no real spine either.