I have never input anything into one of these tools that I wasn’t entirely comfortable with them using for training or any other reason. I just assumed it was happening.
If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
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Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think it's good, but people both here and on reddit are acting like this is some Great Betrayal when it's just a single switch that they prominently present to you. If they're going to make this change, this is exactly how I'd want them to do it.
> If they're going to make this change Feels like the complaint is precisely that people don’t want them to make this change. > this is exactly how I'd want them to do it. Sees naive to believe it will always be done like this, especially for new users.
First off, I don't think going into the settings and flipping a toggle switch once is a huge burden on those who want to use a service privately. But more importantly, some of the comments here are so hysterical I have to assume that they read the title and jumped to the conclusion that you cannot opt out anymore without a business account.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I know once you delete something on Discord its poof, and that's the end of that. I've reported things that if anyone at Discord could access a copy of they would have called police. There's a lot of awful trolls on chat platforms that post awful things. That's not what Discord themselves say, is that coming from Discord, the police or someone else? > Once you delete content, it will no longer be available to other…
At least in terms of reporting content to "Trust and Safety" they certainly behave like its gone forever. I have had friends report illegal content, to both Discord and law enforcement, the take away seemed like it was gone, now it's making me wonder if Discord is really archiving CSAM material for two years and not helping law enforcement unless a proper warrant is involved, yikes.
> now it's making me wonder if Discord is really archiving CSAM material for two years and not helping law enforcement unless a proper warrant is involved
Yes, of course, to both of those. Discord is a for-profit business with limited amount of humans who can focus on things, so the less they can focus on, the better (in the mind of the people running the business at least). So why do anything when you can do nothing, and everything stays the same? Of course when someone has an warrant, they really have to do something, but unless there is, there is no incentive for them to do anything about it.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
With the privacy laws out there, I do genuinely think they eventually get purged even from backups. I remember there being a really cool YouTube video shared here on HN that google no longer has publicly, it was about the process of an email and all the behind the scenes things, like physical security into a data center, to their patented hard drive shredders they use once the hard drives are to be tossed. I wish Goo…
My understanding is that for Gmail specifically, they keep a record of every email ever received regardless of deletion status, but I'm not able to find any good sources.
Even if Google are not storing it, we can sleep safely as NSA's PRISM V2 probably got an archive of it too :) Albeit hard to acquire a dump of those archives, for now at least...
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think any switch from opt-out-by-default to opt-in-by-default sucks, especially when it has no clear immediate benefit to the person being opted in. Disclaimer: not a Claude user (not even a prospective one)
> any switch from opt-out-by-default to opt-in-by-default sucks It’s the reverse. This was opt-in and is now opt-out. Opt means choose so when “the default is opt-in” it means the option is “no” by default and you have the option to make it “yes”.
> they're now opt-out rather than opt-in to your data being used for training
This is what the comment I was replying to said. I took that to mean "you have to opt out (ie you're opted in by default)".
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
what are you doing with the data? What is your legacy going to be other than the data that you leave to be mined? Do you just not want something else to benefit from something that has no benefit to you? If so, why?
There is a myriad of reasons i may not want my data to be used. Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on. Is it unrealistic to think that data may be extrapolated and connected to me in the future?
Maybe I am working on proprietary systems, maybe I am using Claude as a psychotherapist, maybe I use it as a tax advisor, the list goes on.
Then use the business version.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#77"Training" is now a euphemism for stealing. Guess I can't write any production level code w/ this...
Some people would say that since the owner isn't being deprived of anything, it's not stealing.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#78Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?
I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude.
I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings.
It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#79Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?
I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude. I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings. It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.
Huh, they’re not assuming anything is “being shared”.
They’re assuming that Anthropic that is already receiving and storing your data, is also training their models on that data.
How are you supposed to disprove that as a user?
Also, the whole point is that companies cannot be trusted to follow the settings.
Re: If you have a Claude account, they're going to train on your data moving forward
#80Am I the only one that assumed everything was already being used for training?
I don't understand this mindset. Why would you assume anything? It took me a couple minutes at most to check when I first started using Claude. I check when I start using any new service. The cynical assumption that everything's being shared leads to shrugging it off and making no attempt to look for settings. It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.
> It only takes a moment to go into settings -> privacy and look.
Do you have any reason to think this does anything?