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Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dijit »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #68
dijit wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say it's fair, but then it leads to an interesting problem that could happen. Build a tiny core, ask the community to extend: never be liable for any issue because important packages that are essentially required aren't part of the core and thus any criticism is invalid. Not saying that's happening here, but it could happen by this definition. But, ok, there are more issues anyway, for example it's pretty com…

Arch isn't liable regardless. It's a community driven project run by volunteers without contracts. >it's pretty common that you have to update archlinux-keychain before an upgrade can succeed because the signing keys "Since 2022-07-29, the archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service and the associated systemd timer have been created and enabled by default" https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgr...

Listen, dude, this isn’t litigation.

The shit is broken sometimes, it’s ok, but we are here to be intellectually curious and have a discussion.

Lying to people about how broken it can be to update in reality is the opposite of that.

We aren’t here to pull down arch or the community; just here to spit facts.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by TiredOfLife »

dale_glass wrote: post #4

But what's actually happening? There seems to be a lack of technical information. And why does the SSD allow this to happen? A SSD has its own onboard computer, it's not just allowing the OS to do whatever it wants. Obviously the OS can write way too much and reach the endurance limit but that should have been figured out almost instantly, with OS write stats and SMART stats.

> But what's actually happening?

Publications need clicks, videos need watches, people need upvotes

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by outime »

hosteur wrote: post #58
p_ing wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you get Linus Bucks by replacing your efivars with Doom?

You seem to be implying that Linus Thorvalds should also be liable for damage caused by Linux kernel. I don't think the analogy is good. You might be better off replacing Linus with Apple and Linux with macOS. In that case, I would definitely think Apple should be held liable if an update to macOS bricks some hardware in a Mac. But with Linux, it is different: You do not have a business relationship with Linus. Sure,…

Torvalds* but I'm sure he'd not mind the extra H :)

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by akimbostrawman »

dijit wrote: post #71
akimbostrawman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arch isn't liable regardless. It's a community driven project run by volunteers without contracts. >it's pretty common that you have to update archlinux-keychain before an upgrade can succeed because the signing keys "Since 2022-07-29, the archlinux-keyring-wkd-sync.service and the associated systemd timer have been created and enabled by default" https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#Upgr...

Listen, dude, this isn’t litigation. The shit is broken sometimes, it’s ok, but we are here to be intellectually curious and have a discussion. Lying to people about how broken it can be to update in reality is the opposite of that. We aren’t here to pull down arch or the community; just here to spit facts.

I disagree that having to update a package which is also now a automatic service qualifies as broken. Sure there are issues but they are usually either self induced e.g. AUR, easily fixable e.g. keyring update or broadcasted publicly with a fix e.g. archnews.

At the end of the day arch is firmly a do it yourself distro where some user intervention is expected.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by Hilift »

Not related, but this reminds me of a recent issue with the Samsung 990 Pro SSD that required a firmware update for fix, and some drives had to be returned. I speculate it was exacerbated by increased usage.

https://serverfault.com/questions/1172216/issue-with-samsung...

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-990-pro-health-dro...

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dijit »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #75
dijit wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Listen, dude, this isn’t litigation. The shit is broken sometimes, it’s ok, but we are here to be intellectually curious and have a discussion. Lying to people about how broken it can be to update in reality is the opposite of that. We aren’t here to pull down arch or the community; just here to spit facts.

I disagree that having to update a package which is also now a automatic service qualifies as broken. Sure there are issues but they are usually either self induced e.g. AUR, easily fixable e.g. keyring update or broadcasted publicly with a fix e.g. archnews. At the end of the day arch is firmly a do it yourself distro where some user intervention is expected.

Right so,

> I've also been using Linux for years (Arch, btw) and never had an update break my install or cause issues

Is an anecdote that is worthy of being attacked with my own, given the context that people might come away thinking that Arch updates do not break their system.. right?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by [deleted] »

winkelmann wrote: post #63
ahartmetz wrote: post #18

Install "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC" if you don't mind buying grey market keys. Less crapware, more mature and less enshittified than 11, and security fixes until 2032. I don't want to endorse Windows at all (use Linux if you can!). But maybe you need it to occasionally test something or whatever.

> if you don't mind buying grey market keys Please don't buy "grey market" MS keys (i.e. super cheap keys or keys for products not sold to end users, like LTSC). Either buy keys from legitimate vendors or use alternative activation methods (emulated KMS, etc.). I believe a lot of these grey market keys come either from MSDN subscriptions or leaked MAK keys, in either case, you aren't really paying for the product, yo…

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Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by akimbostrawman »

majkinetor wrote: post #59
akimbostrawman wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AUR issues are not arch issues "AUR packages are user-produced content. These PKGBUILDs are completely unofficial and have not been thoroughly vetted. Any use of the provided files is at your own risk." Usually just rebuilding a AUR package will fix most issues.

Yeah, arch is basically unusable without AUR, so that is semantic difference without grounding in reality. Many people use Arch becuase of its package manager.

That is maybe how you feel but it obviously works just fine without it otherwise it would not be explicitly separated. I do not have more than a handful AUR packages none of which are essential or without alternative.

>Many people use Arch because of its package manager

True pacman is great but that has nothing to do with the AUR.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by akimbostrawman »

dijit wrote: post #77
akimbostrawman wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree that having to update a package which is also now a automatic service qualifies as broken. Sure there are issues but they are usually either self induced e.g. AUR, easily fixable e.g. keyring update or broadcasted publicly with a fix e.g. archnews. At the end of the day arch is firmly a do it yourself distro where some user intervention is expected.

Right so, > I've also been using Linux for years (Arch, btw) and never had an update break my install or cause issues Is an anecdote that is worthy of being attacked with my own, given the context that people might come away thinking that Arch updates do not break their system.. right?

Right, just make sure that anecdote actually applies.
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