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Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

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Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

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Bookmarks are something I have grown tired of. From the days of del.icio.us, I started collecting bookmarks and it kind of trickled along almost until Pinboard went on life support (or something else if you'd prefer to call that). The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to. I can remember once or twice and either I couldn't find anything among my bookmar…

This resonated because I realized my relationship to bookmarks was different - I don't save bookmarks, I save or want to remember sentences and saving a bookmark wasn't the best way to do that.

I try to read little I am not looking to apply, or be conscious it's for pleasure/interest

If I bookmark something, I consider it unread. If I read something, I make sure I bookmark and annotate it and tag it to make my mind more actively work with what I'm reading (and make it easer to find.)

The result? 10-15 years of every link I've ever saved, organized and annotated by me. Chronological, sorted, I can see what I was paying attention to chronologically, or by topic, and at any time search any of my highlights and notes.

This is the nice part because it isn't an AI tool, but maybe something that can feed into an AI tool quite nice. My curation, where relevant, as input.

Best of all, it just works. It's not heavy or tedious, anything that has my attention, gets my attention.

The one thing a text only approach will not solve is that URIs while universally defined will not perpetually stay online.

Diigo, and other tools like it allow you to save your own cache, or perhaps submit to a public cache that page so once it invariably goes offline, it doesn't.

There's lots of tools out there to help with this each person's way, I liked diigo.com, but lately think tools like logseq with a few basic plugins are offering a lot of promise to directly save a bookmark, whatever snippets are relevant, and they are always and instantly searchable.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#72
I have been keeping lists of urls in https://gist.github.com as markdown files. Someone even made a shortcut http://gist.new/

It has been very useful. URLs are super easy to modify, super easy to share, super easy to open, add notes etc. Having a gist adds the ability to share a set or URLs and people can comment on them.

I could (if i want to) use github API and a browser extension to put bookmarks directly in a gist as plaintext

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#73

Bookmarks are something I have grown tired of. From the days of del.icio.us, I started collecting bookmarks and it kind of trickled along almost until Pinboard went on life support (or something else if you'd prefer to call that). The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to. I can remember once or twice and either I couldn't find anything among my bookmar…

you can write a program which randomly opens up a bookmark so you can get notified at least per some day/week.

Not really the same, but I find bookmark folders to be pretty useful. I have a "daily", "weekly", "taxes", etc., and it's just one click to open them all up in one go. They could easily be converted into a cron job with a plaintext URL list like TFA.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#74

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

I don't think this project is necessarily going in the wrong direction, but I agree that keeping track of web URLs requires more data than just the URL and title.

At the very least, I personally need tags. Tree hierarchies are too limiting, but tags allow adding free-form metadata which can be used to quickly find anything. I often don't remember the actual URL or title of a web site, but I'm looking for a general category, and with tags I'm usually able to find what I'm looking for. This does require a certain level of discipline from the user to use tags consistently, but they work well IME.

These days with ML tools it's easier than ever to assign relevant tags to URLs automatically, though I would personally not rely on them because of their propensity to hallucinate and not follow conventions.

And, like you say, web sites change and disappear constantly, so snapshots are important as well.

I've been meaning to try SingleFile/ArchiveBox/Wallabag for months now, but I'm currently too comfortable with Pinboard. Pinboard has been working great for me for many years, contrary to the negative buzz around it, but I don't have confidence that it will stick around forever. I just hope that I can export and migrate all my snapshot data as well...

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

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Bookmarks are something I have grown tired of. From the days of del.icio.us, I started collecting bookmarks and it kind of trickled along almost until Pinboard went on life support (or something else if you'd prefer to call that). The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to. I can remember once or twice and either I couldn't find anything among my bookmar…

For some people, they have no need for bookmarks. For other people, bookmarks may be useful but the implementation is not. Reading the author's description made me realize how unbookmark-like bookmarks actually are. The current implementations are somewhat akin to creating a list of books that you like at the library. It's not so much a pointer to the information you found useful, as it is a list of books you found u…

> You still have to do some digging when you go back for the book.

There is widespread browser support for linking directly to text fragments[1] which makes it possible to link to arbitrary parts of documents even when the author hasn't marked up some nearby element with an id to target, like so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45047572#:~:text=You%20...

Unfortunately, Firefox provides no convenient way of creating such links, but Chromium has a "Copy link to highlight" context menu entry when you have text highlighted. Neither Firefox nor Chromium provide a convenient way to create a bookmark to a text fragment.

> As far as I can tell, the only way to move bookmarks between any of the major browsers involves the use of special software or network services.

Both Firefox and Chromium support importing/exporting bookmarks from/to "HTML" (really, Netscape bookmark file format[2]).

Both browsers also provide the means to organize bookmarks into folders, and Firefox lets you add arbitrary tags to them as well. Alas as you say, the only way is to spend time manually organizing them. Automatically suggesting folders/tags (preferring ones you already have created) seems like an ideal use case for LLMs or other NLP tools. Ideally browsers would offer an option to save a snapshot of the page together with the bookmark, that would guard against link rot and enable full text search. We have the technology, it's really only a matter of improving the UI and linking the two features together. Too bad hamstringing adblockers, gimping sites that rely on XSLT, and implementing WebBluetooth or whatever has higher priority.

[1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/URI/Reference/F... [2] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/...

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#76

Bookmarks are something I have grown tired of. From the days of del.icio.us, I started collecting bookmarks and it kind of trickled along almost until Pinboard went on life support (or something else if you'd prefer to call that). The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to. I can remember once or twice and either I couldn't find anything among my bookmar…

> The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to.

Everyone's workflow is different, but I personally do this often. I bookmark something interesting or valuable precisely because I might want to come back to it at some point. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, and that's fine. But when I'm looking for good software that does X, a good place to stay in an interesting location, or a good product in a specific category, my bookmarks are the first place I check. It sure beats relying on web search results and having to navigate around ads, spam, scams, astroturfed forum discussions, morally bankrupt SEO-hacked listicle sites, social media garbage, and the modern web dumpster fire.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#78

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

Bookmarks for me are mostly useful as quick links to highly "dynamic" sites (like HN), where offline snapshots are less useful, or for massive sites that are not quick to snapshot, like Wikipedia (an offline snapshot of Wikipedia is definitely useful, I just don't think the browser is the right tool for that).

For long-form content that I want to come back and read later, I find Wallabag is quite good. For making snapshots of large websites I use Kiwix.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#79
Reading through the comments in this thread, it looks like the population is split in two groups. The first group considers "bookmarks" as a directory of often-visited sites, and needs a way to avoid typing their URLs every time. The second group intends "bookmarks" as a wish list for sites that might need a second (deeper) visit.

It may be time to find another metaphor for this second group: "postcards" might work better than "bookmarks".

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#80
The underappreciated .url file / [InternetShortcut] format seems like a much better fit for this:

1. 20+ years of OS support for double-click to open

2. It already supports an embedded title.

3. It's basically just INI/TOML, so you can add custom fields that get ignored by parsers. Want to embed a screenshot? Just append Screenshot=B64(data). Want to add tags? Same deal.

You can also organise them as files in...folders.

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