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Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by baq »

justlikereddit wrote: post #70
baq wrote: post #56

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Yeah dude hasn’t had an issue where he lives so he claims it’s all lies. When time comes for his neighborhood he’ll cry wolf for not being warned early enough.

In your fantasy world both poles are ice free, snow is non existent in Britain and the Gulf Stream already stopped working 5 times, all of that before 2020. That's the official and much hyped past predictions, but this time it's different? Who's really the one crying wolf here? Maybe you boomer-brained types would get scammed a little bit less often if you tried thinking just a little bit for yourself instead of uncr…

go read an IPCC report instead of insulting people here.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by marcyb5st »

barbazoo wrote: post #28
marcyb5st wrote: post #16

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I believe southern European countries won't be as screwed. The Mediterranean sea has enough thermal mass to keep things Ok. North of the Alps screwed big time. However, the lack of rainfall could be the real killer. As the warm humid air would stops coming it's not clear if the precipitations would be enough to sustain crops in Mediterranean countries. Also, the US east cost and the Caribbean countries would be fucke…

I recommend "The Light Pirate" by Lily Brooks-Dalton that deals with this sort of future.

Thank you. Added to my to-read list :)

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by AlecSchueler »

hagbard_c wrote: post #62
neffy wrote: post #44

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Ok, but this happens pretty regularly on a planetary scale (at least every 110,000 years or so) - why hasn´t it been so disastrous before - say at the end of the last interglacial?

There were fewer humans around last time. Also there were no 'journalists' around to proclaim it so. If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Are you suggesting that humans never write about great extinction events that occurred in the past?

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by AlecSchueler »

nemo44x wrote: post #65
pklausler wrote: post #64

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How do you know that climate scientists are as unreliable as some economists?

They’re probably more unreliable as climate is far more complex than economics and predicting 50 years out with any certainty is a ridiculous notion for both.

You don't explain why you believe that though?

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by AlecSchueler »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #13

Okay that's maybe dramatic, but on another hand, that would be quite fascinating to experience. Maybe, for those of us living long enough, we are going to witness a net migration not from Africa to Europe, but from Europe to elsewhere, anywhere. There is enough place on Earth for humans to resettle and it's likely that other places will become more hospitable, while other places will become less, as the climate shift…

Europe is currently so hostile to receiving the people who need to move there that they might be surprised how much hostility they're met with if/when the tables turn.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by conception »

nemo44x wrote: post #65
pklausler wrote: post #64

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How do you know that climate scientists are as unreliable as some economists?

They’re probably more unreliable as climate is far more complex than economics and predicting 50 years out with any certainty is a ridiculous notion for both.

https://www.science.org/content/article/even-50-year-old-cli...

Most of the high profile climate models have been wrong… but in underestimating the speed of global warming. So things generally are worse than research suggests.

I think you underestimate how well the models are doing.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by justlikereddit »

baq wrote: post #71
justlikereddit wrote: post #70

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In your fantasy world both poles are ice free, snow is non existent in Britain and the Gulf Stream already stopped working 5 times, all of that before 2020. That's the official and much hyped past predictions, but this time it's different? Who's really the one crying wolf here? Maybe you boomer-brained types would get scammed a little bit less often if you tried thinking just a little bit for yourself instead of uncr…

go read an IPCC report instead of insulting people here.

If you don't want to be insulted perhaps you shouldn't throw the first stone?

Can't handle counter battery because you grew up in a homogenized echo chamber? Boohoo reality don't care and neither do I.

When you've wipes your tears perhaps you should go read the actual reports you dearly advertise, and then you too could know they predict lukewarm bullshit indistinguishable from weather.

But nah, you'll keep being a fecal ruminants smugly chewing on your genAI-slop-level massmedia headlines while thinking your insults are clever.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by nemo44x »

jaybrendansmith wrote: post #68
nemo44x wrote: post #66

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Open your mind until your brain falls out. How many bromides should we exchange? Saying “there’s no proof” is better than believing everything that comes your way with 0 critical analysis. But it’s nice to feel smart.

Jesus, what does that even mean? Simple physics says carbon dioxide traps heat. Chemistry 10th grade. Did you take it? This is not hard. Only an absolute ignoramus would pretend it's not happening at this point.

Fully aware. At least in a lab. Regardless we know it’s an inverse square law thing and to even get to any sort of “runaway” or even conditions in this article would take such an enormous gain in carbon release (not considering what’s falling back) that it’s not even possible. It’s fantastical.

If it was linear I’d be concerned. But it’s not. So yeah let’s solve other more realistic problems.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by nemo44x »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #69
jaybrendansmith wrote: post #68

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Jesus, what does that even mean? Simple physics says carbon dioxide traps heat. Chemistry 10th grade. Did you take it? This is not hard. Only an absolute ignoramus would pretend it's not happening at this point.

No worried, HN has plenty of cranks who don't have real arguments or references to actual studies. I suppose it's just comforting to pretend it's business as usual.

Or we understand geometry and how the volume of carbon has to geometrically increase by a square per degree and it’s not even possible for us to put that much in the atmosphere.

Re: Tipping point in Gulf Stream may be reached as early as mid-century

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Post by nemo44x »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #74
nemo44x wrote: post #65

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They’re probably more unreliable as climate is far more complex than economics and predicting 50 years out with any certainty is a ridiculous notion for both.

You don't explain why you believe that though?

Because it’s very probably wrong.
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