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AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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That doesn't mention computer science. English departments giving away A's to attract students don't trash the job market for recent CS grads.

Your theory that universities broadly started inflating grades, but miraculously excepted computer science is pretty damn bold one that you've made baselessly.

> theory that universities broadly started inflating grades, but excepted computer science is pretty damn bold one that you've made baselessly

I'm saying that a source from more than a decade ago describing a general trend doesn't explain why recent CS graduates are facing a worse job market than folks five years ago did.

Grade inflation, per your source, has been happening for decades across the board. That does not tell us why "since the widespread adoption of generative AI, early-career workers (ages 22-25) in the most AI-exposed occupations have experienced a 13 percent relative decline in employment even after controlling for firm-level shocks" [1].

[1] https://digitaleconomy.stanford.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/...

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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This will be very interesting. So far in the Industrial Revolution, automating away jobs has been how we've getting richer and richer for centuries. If AI automates away half of all jobs, and this holds we will - after an adjustment period - double GDP and collectively be twice as wealthy! If that actually happens, it solves many currently "unsolvable" societal problems. I'm pretty sure that it does, but the adjustme…

Just like, collectively, me and bill gates are billionaires. Clearly this will fix societal issues

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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This will be very interesting. So far in the Industrial Revolution, automating away jobs has been how we've getting richer and richer for centuries. If AI automates away half of all jobs, and this holds we will - after an adjustment period - double GDP and collectively be twice as wealthy! If that actually happens, it solves many currently "unsolvable" societal problems. I'm pretty sure that it does, but the adjustme…

Farming mechanization and the loom automated so much that 97% of society used to be agrarian and now it's the opposite (only 3% are farmers in developed societies), and we are much better off despite the growing pains they had. Though, it does make me nervous how fast AI automation is hitting.

That's because most of the surplus agrarian workers found new jobs from factories and service sector in cities. Industrial society needed more people to work the factory lines, transport stuff, feed those city living workers and so on. I'm not sure this latest wave of automation will be similar, because it's not obvious what new occupations increasing AI use could create, at least not in large enough amounts.

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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Your theory that universities broadly started inflating grades, but miraculously excepted computer science is pretty damn bold one that you've made baselessly.

> theory that universities broadly started inflating grades, but excepted computer science is pretty damn bold one that you've made baselessly I'm saying that a source from more than a decade ago describing a general trend doesn't explain why recent CS graduates are facing a worse job market than folks five years ago did. Grade inflation, per your source, has been happening for decades across the board. That does not…

I haven't attempted to explain why new grads are facing a worse market than 10 years ago. I've offered two possible explanations for why more students might move into computer science.

A rational actor is going to be more likely to pursue something they think they can actually pass.

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason is that the economy is moving towards the dumps and nobody is hiring or firing, because they know the future is gloomy. But it makes it much nicer to say its AI that's stealing jobs to create even more hype.

Perhaps you have it backwards, and the future is gloomy because AI is wrecking young american's job prospects. Is it possible to stay better than AI? Maybe for some people. Not for the average person. The results of that are one of the largest contributors to the gloomy future (among other things).

> Is it possible to stay better than AI? Maybe for some people. Not for the average person.

I know we're talking broadly across all industries but I can only speak to what I know and am able to observe directly.

My opinion of the average software developer with a few years experience is not very high. Yet now that we have non-coders shipping features written with LLMs, and we're starting to observe the fallout from that, I'm getting closer to saying than an entry level coder is far better than an LLM (depending on how we evaluate "better").

There are also a lot of hidden costs associated with LLMs. For example, I'm spending a lot more time reviewing PRs than I used to. And we're taking a lot more time doing rework than we were before.

We can't yet say that LLMs have caused an increase in regressions, since we've been racing towards a major new version release, and so people are rushing in general and that skews the numbers. Over time, however, we'll have data on rate of bugs introduced before the widespread company adoption of LLMs vs after, controlled for crunch times as well.

If the average software developer only spends an average of 20% of their time actually writing code, then even if an LLM can offer an optimistic 50% productivity increase, then we're only optimizing for 10% best case scenario.

I think there is a lot of marketing-hype-driven ideology around "AI" right now that is leading a lot of people to buy into some of the overstated claims. This ideology may have companies genuinely slowing down their hiring of entry-levels at the moment, since some people are saying that an LLM is like having an incompetent intern. The business thinks "If you need to babysit a junior and you need to babysit an LLM, then why pay for the junior?" And we still need better data to determine if, on average, what a company pays for a junior is truly more expensive than delegating the work to an LLM + taking on the maintenance and review overhead. We don't have the answers yet. My personal bias has me thinking that on average a junior will provide higher returns although not necessarily immediately. The benefit of a junior is that they learn from mistakes and can adapt more readily to specific business requirements.

This is not to say that LLMs aren't valuable. I think the trade-off for entry-levels is that I would have killed to have something like Cursor when I was a a pre-teen teaching myself to code in the 90s. When you want to build something complicated and don't even know where to start, and LLM can get you some scaffolding and show you a basic strategy that you can build on. Then you go fix bugs and poke around and break stuff.. it's a great learning tool. So I expect that, over time, the talent of entry-levels will probably increase. In the short term, we need to get through this AI bubble and stabilize. Companies will learn where LLMs save costs and where they can still benefit from less-experienced coders. It will just take a bit of time.

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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One crazy stat -- In 2024, 21% of all bachelor's degrees awarded were Computer Science from University of Maryland College Park. It was 3% in 2011. I don't agree with the article that AI is wrecking job prospects. I see it is as companies are just now trending towards running leaner vs hiring every good engineer available during ZIRP. Nonetheless, it's gotta be tough out there for new grads. https://www.usmd.edu/IRIS…

I believe you mean 21% of University of Maryland’s bachelor degreees were CS. The current phrasing makes it sound like they’re a diploma mill producing 21% of all bachelor degrees in the country.

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Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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Perhaps you have it backwards, and the future is gloomy because AI is wrecking young american's job prospects. Is it possible to stay better than AI? Maybe for some people. Not for the average person. The results of that are one of the largest contributors to the gloomy future (among other things).

The future is gloomy because the American economy has largely been in a state of "jobless recovery" since thr great recession. Stock prices are up thanks to corporate tax cuts, ZIRP, AI hype etc, but discretionary income is either stagnant in many sectors or are being chipped away from every angle: rent, healthcare, transport, childcare or leisure.

Speaking to your point about a jobless recovery… that’s not accurate.

The US had recovered to full pre-recession employment levels by 2017[1].

Unemployment is around 4% right now.

I can’t speak to discretionary income or why the market is high, and maybe there is some sort of structural “underemployment” going on, but people are working.

[1] https://www.cbpp.org/research/chart-book-the-legacy-of-the-g...

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So now it's only 52 million? Thank goodness, problem solved!

> now it's only 52 million? You're moving the goalposts. There is no paradox--the job market is down and so is immigration. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi...

Doesn't change the fact that H1-Bers have turned the US IT job market harmfully hyper-competitive for US citizens.

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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> theory that universities broadly started inflating grades, but excepted computer science is pretty damn bold one that you've made baselessly I'm saying that a source from more than a decade ago describing a general trend doesn't explain why recent CS graduates are facing a worse job market than folks five years ago did. Grade inflation, per your source, has been happening for decades across the board. That does not…

I haven't attempted to explain why new grads are facing a worse market than 10 years ago. I've offered two possible explanations for why more students might move into computer science. A rational actor is going to be more likely to pursue something they think they can actually pass.

> I've offered two possible explanations for why more students might move into computer science

If grade inflation is happening to all degrees, that doesn't explain increased enrollment in CS. (I'm generally curious if part of the explanation is a reduction in CS education quality.)

Re: AI Is Wrecking Young Americans' Job Prospects

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all the tech companies are filled to the brim with h1b visa holders working around the clock for average pay. this has nothing to do with ai, and everything to do with importing workers that are desperate to be here, and so work like dogs. fresh college grads are competing with foreign visa holders that have years of experience

Not sure why you're getting downvoted (maybe by h1bs). Big companies abusing h1b has been all over the news. Heck a Walmart manager was just arrested for taking kickbacks related to h1bs (from the country of his origin)... https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/walmart-h-...

its weird because every website has some form of censorship where you cant event bring up these types of issues without getting banned/flagged
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