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Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

fp64 wrote: post #68
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #64

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I think that uh they are shipping a platform through which crowdfunding can happen for AI models, which is an inherently cool idea imo. Man, I understand the implementation might have some rough edges but that's besides the point because the idea is cool, not sure why people are almost picking up on this guy. Maybe I am wrong, I usually am, but I have been on hackernews for almost an year and HN is usually not like t…

I can only speak for myself and here it hits a nerve. Yes, the idea is fine, but the idea is only "crowdfund training", and not how this can be actually and practically implemented. It shows this exact ignorance of people who have no idea about anything but are sure that just with enough funding they can change the world, people just need to see how smart they are. I am not saying that this fully applies to OP, more…

well a great point, I have no skin in the game and genuinely just want to discuss, but you don't really have to add anything substantial in such cases.

Like, What do you expect him to add, create a distributed training system, well that is orders of magnitude inefficient than normal training where people donate their money

If you want him to get some reputation, that's fair but I have always believed in building in the public kind approach. Maybe I am wrong, but yes the website definitely might be made better and honestly I might create some checkpoints from this website like never ever use some other persons trademarks,

make the website pleasant to see

just use some mail service, its not worth it showing the gmail sign. The people mocking this is wild

These are things that are easy to do imo.

As I said in the other project, transparency feels like the key to such problem. And honestly the fact that you could ship it in 20 minutes might be valid but I mean :/ cmon man.

What are your thoughts? I also thought of such idea and wanted to build something like this but gave up, Might build it in a year or two but what would you suggest him to do? Instead of giving him harsh responses, lets be productive since I don't care who implements my idea. I just want a place where people crowdfund models. I don't care if some patrick person builds it or I build or you build it. It should be good though

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by fp64 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #71
fp64 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can only speak for myself and here it hits a nerve. Yes, the idea is fine, but the idea is only "crowdfund training", and not how this can be actually and practically implemented. It shows this exact ignorance of people who have no idea about anything but are sure that just with enough funding they can change the world, people just need to see how smart they are. I am not saying that this fully applies to OP, more…

well a great point, I have no skin in the game and genuinely just want to discuss, but you don't really have to add anything substantial in such cases. Like, What do you expect him to add, create a distributed training system, well that is orders of magnitude inefficient than normal training where people donate their money If you want him to get some reputation, that's fair but I have always believed in building in t…

As I said in a different reply, I would not know how to address the engineering and management aspect, let alone the legal aspect, which are the biggest blockers and likely the reason this is not already done.

It's fine to develop "in the open" but this is a pitch for several million dollars, and handing that out without any credentials or track record is just not happening.

At least provide rough estimates for what is needed to get this done. What architecture? What training data? Where does the training happen? Who manages and administrates the cluster? Volunteers who try this the first time or paid experts? What solutions to failure recovery, to storage, to tracking and monitoring? Who has the last word on fundamental decisions? How will the legal component be handled? Do they already have a good law firm, how much would that cost? Will the first training be successful right away or how many iterations will be required? Can you even get access to the required GPUs at a reasonable price point? Train on older architecture? How much effort is required and planned to save cost by making training more efficient, ........

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by parsimo2010 »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #66
TOMDM wrote: post #8

My first thought was "Why the hell is Meta crowd funding their models?!" Neat idea, but I'd change the name

But to be honest, not to defend the author since I also have this complaint but uh literally r/localllama, ollama. There was a lot of llama hype in the starting tbh, and we all know how naming things is the hardest thing sometimes in software.

Both r/localllama and ollama started out as a way to run Llama open-weight specifically before they branched out to other models. So those names are okay, since Llama is in their heritage. This launch is specifically for models other than Llama, so it is not okay.

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #73
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But to be honest, not to defend the author since I also have this complaint but uh literally r/localllama, ollama. There was a lot of llama hype in the starting tbh, and we all know how naming things is the hardest thing sometimes in software.

Both r/localllama and ollama started out as a way to run Llama open-weight specifically before they branched out to other models. So those names are okay, since Llama is in their heritage. This launch is specifically for models other than Llama, so it is not okay.

good point, makes sense imo. but still iirc the author was inspired by r/localllama but yeah, it would make a lot more sense if they change their name given that it can be trademarks issue idk

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by qingcharles »

mountainriver wrote: post #20
CharlesW wrote: post #18

Patrick, it’s really hard to tell if you're serious or legitimate from this made-in-Lovable-in-5-minutes site. If you are serious, I recommend that you ask the admins (hn@ycombinator.com) to delete this post, then spend at least half an hour thinking about a better name, and what readers might need to know before you (1) create a more substantive landing page and (2) re-announce. That would at least give you a chance…

I am building the backend full time for this, I'm serious about it and see it as one of the biggest issues in the ecosystem today. I'm looking to gauge interest in the concept to hopefully raise more to implement it faster. What exactly is wrong about it? I spent a fair amount of time on it and just saying "its bad" isn't really helpful feedback.

As a web designer, your design is totally fine. Not gonna win any awards. It's fine, though.

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by c0balt »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #63
c0balt wrote: post #43

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To add to the other commenters, in the spirit of providing feedback for the next iteration: - responsivity, the site does not scale well on portrait screens, specifically the email input is shifted to the left and partially off-screen - layout, the header is not vertically aligned. The elements are off-center - design, it looks nice at a first glance but lacks polish. Consider starting with an existing landing page t…

Its so darn funny that the parent post says that they couldn't take this seriously because they think it was created by lovable (an AI vibe coded) thing And well it turns out that the author hasn't used AI. And the next comment I see is yours which "suggest" him to use "AI" for "refining" This felt so weird on why are you suggesting him AI when the gp accused him of using AI in the first place as an almost deregotary…

I looked at the source code because I was interested in what template/backend was used and the header contains a ``. As far as I know this is an artifact from lovable.dev, a generative AI tool for website vibe coding, and this does link to lovables twitter account.

Note: the website has been updated since my original comment, notably the points on layout/design have been mostly fixed. The lovable tag has stayed through both iterations.

Re: Llama Fund: Crowdfund AI Models

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

c0balt wrote: post #76
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its so darn funny that the parent post says that they couldn't take this seriously because they think it was created by lovable (an AI vibe coded) thing And well it turns out that the author hasn't used AI. And the next comment I see is yours which "suggest" him to use "AI" for "refining" This felt so weird on why are you suggesting him AI when the gp accused him of using AI in the first place as an almost deregotary…

I looked at the source code because I was interested in what template/backend was used and the header contains a ` `. As far as I know this is an artifact from lovable.dev, a generative AI tool for website vibe coding, and this does link to lovables twitter account. Note: the website has been updated since my original comment, notably the points on layout/design have been mostly fixed. The lovable tag has stayed thro…

very interesting find. That tarnishes a lot of reputation that it has.

Man wants to crowdfund AI models to create open source AI models

He should've instead shared the prompt that he entered into lovable instead.

Makes a shit ton of sense now. Okayyyy wtf man, I won't really ever have the guts to push cheap AI slop like lovable directly to HN. I am okay with claude code / gemini / heck chatgpt or deepseek etc. but lovable etc. just makes it feel as if the person writing it doesn't even know how to read code or be comfortable with code itself, let alone writing the code.

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