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Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by micromacrofoot »

zdragnar wrote: post #24
micromacrofoot wrote: post #19

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so are people who claim placebos and homeopathy improved their conditions, we are not reliable on an individual level

No placebo can let him "do things like play Mario Kart, control his television, and turn his Dyson air purifier on and off without physically moving his fingers or any other part of his body." Given that there are objective changes, it is not unreasonable to believe his claim that he is satisfied or has benefitted from them.

it's not objective when there's only a single reporter and it's the subject

no before/after video, no third party report, there's nothing here but puffery... half the article goes on to promote robots

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by jakeydus »

fourseventy wrote: post #60
mritterhoff wrote: post #18

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For someone with a supreme lack of judgement he sure does own a lot of billion dollar companies. I strive to have the same lack of judgement that he has.

I hope not, I'd rather have fewer narcissistic sociopaths in the world. He only cares about himself and what people think of him. Nothing he does is to benefit other people. He's not Iron Man, he's Lex Luthor.

I guess people have always idolized the creeps of the world, though.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by yunwal »

pear01 wrote: post #56
y-curious wrote: post #36

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You are right when it comes to qualia, but wholly incorrect in this case. There are measurable metrics in his life (ie independent use of computers, social engagements etc.) It's not like he's having to rate his level of happiness here, these are physical benefits

if that's the case why do you care to read about his subjective experience, at all? isn't that the point of the comment inquiring about an independent review?

Because the subjective experience is the thing we actually care about.

Same reason you ask the users of any product for feedback. Sure, you can objectively see that they were able to click the register button, still doesn’t guarantee they came out of that experience wanting to use the product.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by pear01 »

yunwal wrote: post #73
pear01 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

if that's the case why do you care to read about his subjective experience, at all? isn't that the point of the comment inquiring about an independent review?

Because the subjective experience is the thing we actually care about. Same reason you ask the users of any product for feedback. Sure, you can objectively see that they were able to click the register button, still doesn’t guarantee they came out of that experience wanting to use the product.

are you under the impression that the sole focus of an independent review as described in the root comment would be to investigate the personal veracity of "Participant 1"'s narration? do you alter course in your product because of single, particular user anecdote? i'm not sure what you think you are arguing against here...

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by cosmicgadget »

fourseventy wrote: post #60
mritterhoff wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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For someone with a supreme lack of judgement he sure does own a lot of billion dollar companies. I strive to have the same lack of judgement that he has.

Caligula was pretty successful too. Maybe money and power aren't the magical trump card you think they are.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by cosmicgadget »

SilverElfin wrote: post #15

Neuralink is amazing technology and watching videos of participants who have completely different abilities and freedom with Neuralink implants is mind blowing. It’s sad that many want to dismiss these amazing achievements just because it’s an Elon Musk founded company. At some point you simply have to acknowledge his success (and his team’s), and hope they get further with all of this. For those interested in their…

Is it okay to be skeptically appreciative of Neuralink's technological breakthroughs while hoping that, due to its association with Elon, that the technology and talent decides to go elsewhere?

Could be for saltiness over his politics. Could be for skepticism that he can deliver (robotaxi, Mars, etc). Could be for wariness that he'll turn it to shit like USDS, Twitter, and Tesla's finances.

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by shkkmo »

qualeed wrote: post #58
shkkmo wrote: post #49

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> You should explain the active harm this causes, because your partisan celebrity worship is causing you to look goofy in front of strangers. I explained the active harm in the very sentence you quoted. >> he told me that a SWAT team showed up with AR-15s after someone gave a false tip to the local sheriff’s office that Arbaugh was in danger. I'm not a big fan of Musk for a number of different reasons. I'm even less…

> I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred. No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred".

> No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred".

What do you think partisanship is these days?

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by qualeed »

shkkmo wrote: post #78
qualeed wrote: post #58

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> I'd rather look like a goof (nothing wrong with being goofy or weird sometimes) than help spread hatred. No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred".

> No one in this thread is helping "spread hatred". What do you think partisanship is these days?

Not synonymous with "spreading hate".

Re: Neuralink 'Participant 1' says his life has changed

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Post by zdragnar »

pear01 wrote: post #69
zdragnar wrote: post #55

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The objective and subjective observations are about different but related things. The objective measurements are about his enhanced abilities. He can do things he couldn't before. But, the GP comment referred to "quality of life" which is innately difficult to measure objectively. It's possible that he was able to do those things but it caused him enough irritation to do them that he avoided using it (like CPAP often…

yes, quality of life is a very difficult thing to measure objectively, because of the subjective component, as you state. are you under the impression the "reviews by independent experts" mentioned in the comment above the one you cited would only be meaningful if the person narrating their subjective experience was found to be outright lying? you are clearly familiar with some of the nuances, thus i'm not sure why y…

If you don't trust the subject, he would most likely decline to participate in an independent review entirely.

In any case, just like the stock market, the fact he responded well does not guarantee someone else will.

What we need is more data, not a higher degree of confidence in this one point. An independent review would be nice to satisfy our curiosity, but it wouldn't add much to our understanding anyway.

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