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Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by indigodaddy »

AnonC wrote: post #60
indigodaddy wrote: post #22

Anyone considering a move should also look at NameCrane/CraneMail by the crew behind BuyVM. Solid service, incredibly reasonable prices, great community/discord. They are always looking to improve, extremely proactive and reactive to customer feedback and issues. No builtin PGP, but I believe that is out of their control as they use SmarterMail on the backend.

I hadn’t heard of this and looked for it. How is Cranemail so cheap? I’m really surprised but also concerned that one can get 100 GB of space with unlimited mailboxes and aliases (with just a sending limit) for $10 a year (which gets even cheaper when paying for multiple years or lifetime).

Not sure, but you could ask @Francisco here [1]. He might respond. He’s been around a very long time— certainly not fly by night, as I can understand thinking that at the price value.

[1] https://discord.gg/E8myb2AD

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by habi »

TranquilMarmot wrote: post #49

I spent the past month "de-Googling" my life after I saw a notice in my Gmail inbox that it was 20 years old. I took a step back and realized just how invested into the Google ecosystem I was. Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, Maps, Keep, Photos, YouTube, FitBit, Android. Basically my entire digital life. My goal was more diversifying than security/privacy, but security/privacy is a really nice bonus. I ended up going wi…

> OpenStreetMap is still really hard to use and gives bad directions.

https://www.magicearth.com/ works well for car navigation with OSM data, and https://cycle.travel/ is the best way to navigate on a bike, also with OSM data.

In which country do you live, if I might ask?

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by Semaphor »

tsimionescu wrote: post #35
Semaphor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You kinda get that with your own domain. I think that's the best you are going to get

Isn't losing your domain a huge risk for any common user?

Unless you use some sketchy TLDs, I've not heard of that

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by GTP »

The problem with changing email provider due to privacy concerns, is that most of your emails will still end up inside Google's or Microsoft's servers.

I considered self-hosting my own email, as I already have a domain name. But this has always put me off. The reason I would still consider self-hosting is to have readily available email address for side projects, like if I want to receive email notifications from services.

But for privacy, you unfortunately don't gain much, as most of the people/entities you're exchanging emails with are using Google or Microsoft emails.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by tsimionescu »

Semaphor wrote: post #74
tsimionescu wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't losing your domain a huge risk for any common user?

Unless you use some sketchy TLDs, I've not heard of that

I've seen plenty of stories of people who forget or are unable for whatever reason to renew their domain names on time.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by selkin »

partomniscient wrote: post #52
selkin wrote: post #30

> The problem with email is that everything is transmitted in plain text. That's not a Gmail problem, and no reason to migrate. Some use cases just don't fit email, and for those, we have other, more fitting platforms. > So, I went with mailbox.org that still offers integrated PGP encryption, and if you want, you can always use external PGP too (which I was already doing with Gmail). Ok, so now you have two problems.

But we haven't started using regular expressions yet...!? I was fortunate enough that my solution was to host my own mail server 20+ years ago and create a separate email address per relationship with a company, so I can tell the moment some 3rd party has been comprimised when I receive spam on a specific address. My personal spam has been minimal over time. If for example moc.elgoog@mydomain.com gets spam - I know t…

It can be summarized that the romanticized ideal of Email is long gone, if it ever existed. Today email is a way for others, mostly automations, to send you notifications.

Once you realize this, the "just keep whatever I have right now" is often the best solution.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by selkin »

GTP wrote: post #75

The problem with changing email provider due to privacy concerns, is that most of your emails will still end up inside Google's or Microsoft's servers. I considered self-hosting my own email, as I already have a domain name. But this has always put me off. The reason I would still consider self-hosting is to have readily available email address for side projects, like if I want to receive email notifications from ser…

Even when they don't, it doesn't matter. Email wasn't designed for privacy or security, and can't accommodate those. Lucky for us, we now have much better tools for those use cases, so we don't need to clumsily try and fail to ducktape those use cases to email.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by selkin »

floren wrote: post #69
maksimur wrote: post #67

How do you deal with emails bouncing or going to spam? I have been looking to move away from Gmail but last I read it was the only reliable option out there.

You should be fine on the big providers. There's a weird horseshoe situation where anti-Google doomposting looks a lot like pro-Google FUD that I think leads people to believe only Google and maybe Microsoft are capable of sending mail any more. Something like mailbox.org should be fine. Even a carefully-chosen VPS running your own email server should be fine (works for me, no delivery problems in ~2 years)

Tell me you haven't run a large email server without telling me.

There's a reason even large corporates that can easily afford the resources to run email their email themselves decide against it.

There are a handful of good providers, not just Google and Microsoft, but the two hyperscalers do have very good offerings, so of course they have a lot of the market.

Re: Leaving Gmail for Mailbox.org

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Post by selkin »

colesantiago wrote: post #18

How do I get my family to move off of Gmail? I keep telling them that Google spies on you, but they don’t care because it is free and it works. How reliable are these providers and what are the chances these providers emails would bounce or go to spam when sending an email?

If they don't care, why should you?

They found a deal that seems to be ok for them. To get them to change providers, you need to suggest one that would be a better value, and to be honest, I don't think you can find one.

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