Earlier quoted context omitted.
The artificial intelligence doesn't provide artificial intelligence. Ok.
Your confusing the name of a thing with its nature.
I don't know about all of that.
In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
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#72I buy this for writing. There's a very limited set of things GPT is good at for improving my writing (basic sentence voice and structure stuff, overusing words), but mostly I find it makes my writing worse, and I don't trust any argument it makes because, as the post observes, I haven't thought them through and had the opportunity to second-guess them myself. Also it has a high opinion of Bryan Ferry. Deeply untrustw…
Try writing in Spanish and tell me if it helps you or not.
This is the reality of a lot of us, poor ESL plebs
Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#73I buy this for writing. There's a very limited set of things GPT is good at for improving my writing (basic sentence voice and structure stuff, overusing words), but mostly I find it makes my writing worse, and I don't trust any argument it makes because, as the post observes, I haven't thought them through and had the opportunity to second-guess them myself. Also it has a high opinion of Bryan Ferry. Deeply untrustw…
> I find myself thinking more carefully and more expansively, at the same time, about solving programming problems when I'm assisted by an LLM agent Every developer that uses LLMs believes this. And every time they are objectively measured, it is shown that they are wrong. Just look at the FOSS study from METR, or the cognitive bias study by Microsoft. If you understand how this applies to writing can you not connect…
No, I believe my lying eyes.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
I doubt that would happen. The engine provides artificial strength, granted, but AI does not provide artificial intelligence. It's a misnomer.
The artificial intelligence doesn't provide artificial intelligence. Ok.
Artificial intelligence doesn't negate the need for human intelligence.
The jackhammer replaced the hammer and chisel for busting concrete, and the user's physical strength is important to both the manual and automated tool.
AI is a multiplayer to the user's intelligence, as the jackhammer is a multiplayer to physical strength.
Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#75Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought. From the article "Muscles grow by lifting weights" yet we do that now as a hobby and not as a critical job. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where thinking is a gym like activity, however if you go back 200 years it would probably be difficult to explai…
> Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought.
Curious how the "AI" going to replace thought, as it is incapable if creating anything. Its just statistically matching data patterns for G-d's sake, don't make it something anything beyond that
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#76Do you think it's like when driving with GPS first became a thing?
Everyone stopped learning the roads & streets of where they were driving, but it was OK to lose that knowledge.
GPS companies revised their products to adapt to driver mistakes, and today driving is generally better with Google Maps, even though sometimes it can be worse (no internet, or when a bug arises).
Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I find myself thinking more carefully and more expansively, at the same time, about solving programming problems when I'm assisted by an LLM agent Every developer that uses LLMs believes this. And every time they are objectively measured, it is shown that they are wrong. Just look at the FOSS study from METR, or the cognitive bias study by Microsoft. If you understand how this applies to writing can you not connect…
No, I believe my lying eyes.
So does everyone who thinks horse paste cures covid.
Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#78Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#79Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought. From the article "Muscles grow by lifting weights" yet we do that now as a hobby and not as a critical job. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where thinking is a gym like activity, however if you go back 200 years it would probably be difficult to explai…
> Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought. Curious how the "AI" going to replace thought, as it is incapable if creating anything. Its just statistically matching data patterns for G-d's sake, don't make it something anything beyond that
meanwhile you're not even doing it statistically, you're just (deterministically) parroting the same argument that was already bad taste 10 years ago
quantum mechanics is just linear algebra, chemistry is just quantum mechanics, biology is just chemistry, and thus human intelligence is just linear algebra, so what's the problem? what else do you want from a mathematical framework, other than the ability to describe the system you need to describe?
Re: In the long run, LLMs make us dumber
#80Just as the engine replaced physical strength, artificial intelligence, through models like large language models, is now replacing cognitive labor and thought. From the article "Muscles grow by lifting weights" yet we do that now as a hobby and not as a critical job. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where thinking is a gym like activity, however if you go back 200 years it would probably be difficult to explai…
Engine scales without limits. There is no mechanism by which more engines in use lead to worse engines (leading to less use of engines). LLM output quality suffers heavily as the percentage of human-generated input drops. Which is what is happening right now as humans hand content production to machines.