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Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by ethanwillis »

rtfeldman wrote: post #36
parentheses wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :) You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

I would also pay for Zed (the editor) and not the AI. But I also don't want to pay just make Zed more attractive for VC acquisition.

You don't have to give me any more features than what's in the free editor. I would gladly pay up to $300 just to have a "license".

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

verdverm wrote: post #50
decentrality wrote: post #34

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For the record: I have never used the collaboration aspects of Zed What I also have not used is vim emulation, though I have a vim background As mentioned elsewhere, Zed is still very configuration-dependent to get the full power of it, and a lot of its functionality is never discovered for that reason What pushed me to try it was Ollama integration which is not an afterthought, then I realized I loved it _way_ more…

I do all those same things in VS Code, especially the vim bindings, wouldn't give those up, but did recently leave the vim ecosystem because I had to spend too much time making the IDE work or enable features that are out-of-the-box in a code-oss based IDE

You probably give up just as much privacy with VS Code as you do with Zed, no? Just sent to different overlords?

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by ParetoOptimal »

cholantesh wrote: post #61
an0malous wrote: post #15

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A sibling comment claims that making a comment like this constitutes waging a 'political'/'ideological' battle that 'tramples curiosity', because raising a legitimate concern is inherently ideological, but silencing any and all scrutiny of a VC is not.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous... maybe we can move off of hackernews too.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by slig »

poetril wrote: post #6
kordlessagain wrote: post #4

Am I the only one that associates "Zed" and "development" with Zed Shaw? I don't think he has anything to do with zed.dev, unfortunately.

You’re not. Everytime I see him on Twitch I have to do a double take.

Did not know he was a streamer now, thanks!

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by mtndew4brkfst »

tzury wrote: post #32
mandeepj wrote: post #13

It’s sounds very similar to Google wave, if anyone remembers that, but for code.

That came back as Slack and other similar products

Nothing since then really recaptured what I personally liked about GWave or let me use their tool in similar ways to how I used it. YMMV, of course, more so than most of my comments.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by _mu »

kordlessagain wrote: post #4

Am I the only one that associates "Zed" and "development" with Zed Shaw? I don't think he has anything to do with zed.dev, unfortunately.

I really appreciate Zed Shaw for walking his own path and sticking to his guns.

I miss some of his old posts that he took down from his website, in particular the one on learning statistics, that was a great one.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by mtndew4brkfst »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #29
esafak wrote: post #16

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Can we see?

It's apparently this but I can't really say that I get it: https://bablr.org He seems to be saying he spent $350k making this. I guess it's some tooling for writing parsers. He has this to say about Zed: > Zed: Founded by Atom’s dev team, Zed was the rewrite that Atom always wanted to be able to do but couldn’t when Microsoft bought Github and made the executive decision to kill a product it might otherwise have had…

IMO in the 12 months or so I've been aware of the BABLR work and observed the author's comment contributions, they've never really substantiated why BABLR would be preferable to tree-sitter, or how a JS-based implementation of parser tech can fulfill any of the same niches. Most consumers of tree-sitter leverage it via FFI or native code, not an embedded or external JS runtime.

It's not clear to me how you could substantially replace the capabilities/benefits of what LSP provides with BABLR either.

Re: Sequoia backs Zed

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Post by MerrimanInd »

rtfeldman wrote: post #36
parentheses wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note to Zed: I prefer paid products to enshittened ones. Please please please, get paid rather than holding on too tightly to making things free forcing future enshittening.

We're working on it! :) You can pay for Zed today if you'd like - https://zed.dev/pricing - and also the editor itself is open-source under the GPLv3 license. So if at any point in the future Zed changes direction in a way you don't like, you are perpetually free to build the version you liked from source (or make a community fork and take it in a different direction).

I'm a big fan of Zed and having met much of the team I think it's some great people building a great product. But I do echo concerns that while the intentions are all honorable the incentives of the pricing structure, business environment, and now a funding round are concerning in the long term. I don't think anyone at Zed has a single ill intent or a secret master plan but these days anything I'm not paying for I just assume is going to be enshittified eventually. Especially for an app where the only paid features are AI-centric and there's a VC expecting to make multiples on a $60m investment.

So here's my ask: let me pay for it without paying for AI! None of my use cases will stress your servers; I have `"disable_ai": true` in my settings.json. Give me a $5/mo "support the devs tier" or a $10/mo tier with some random app quality-of-life features and I'm there. I specifically want to pay for good software without paying for AI to signify the value proposition that still exists there cause I don't think a VC would believe me otherwise.

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