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Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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If apple would make them less fussy, flaky and maybe let them just work without you managing them - would this already a good reason to exist? I think this is something apple done right in the past. Like holding your new AirPods just beside your phone and the phone recognizes them.

That would certainly remove a significant obstacle, but my question is really more about whether the problems smart-home devices purport to solve actually matter enough to be worth inventing and buying this much new technology.

Something’s are pretty handy, like I go on vacation and forgot to turn off the heater/light. Open an app, click „off“, done. Yes, it might be an inconvenience if they are on for two weeks, but it could be also dangerous. Certain electronic devices still plugged in can cause fires. And yes, this might not count as „smart“ in the sense that it’s more „connected“.

Other scenario what would be nice is restocking. Fridge/kitchen cabinet „notice“ that something is running low and reminds me if I wanna put it on a shopping list. And again, yes it’s a small inconvenience if I return from the grocery store after work and open the fridge to see that I forgot milk. But I think that’s what’s technology is about: taking away inconveniences so we can focus on more important things.

The example with going on vacation is something I really enjoy because it’s removing some friction to „just go“ for me. Before I always took pictures of rooms, heater, power sockets etc before leaving because evertime I arrived a the hotel I thought „did I turnoff x? Did I locked the door?“. Now I just open an app and see if everything is fine and don’t worry the whole vacation.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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I can't wait to see the list of home automation gadgets it interoperates with. All five of them.

It's true that out of box compatibility is still kind of a mess, and Matter has not dramatically improved that, but if you're willing to run an instance of HomeAssistant or Homebridge you can get practically any home automation device to work with Homekit. I don't imagine that will change with the "new" os.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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I think it's more there's nothing left to be done. There have been little refinements but airliners look the same as they did in the 60s and the basics of all of it are just the same as they were 60 years ago as now. Operating systems are the same.

Are you saying there is not technology left?

No. Just when it comes to the user-facing aspects of a computer/phone/tablet operating system, there's nothing left to do besides little tweaks.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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You tell me, was the iPhone innovative?

Was Ive involved in the iPhone creation? Or only its enshittification?

When the iPhone was developed, Jony led industrial design but not yet software design.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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It's such a pity to see how much respect Apple has lost due to its lack of real technological ambition. Just a few years ago, Apple was admired for pushing boundaries—now it feels like history is repeating itself.

I think it's more there's nothing left to be done. There have been little refinements but airliners look the same as they did in the 60s and the basics of all of it are just the same as they were 60 years ago as now. Operating systems are the same.

> I think it's more there's nothing left to be done.

They could have worked on improving Siri and captured the most of the AI Assistant market but they simply dropped the ball.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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I feel like Apple has historical been good at taking things that are "good ideas but everyone is doing the execution so badly they haven't really caught on" into the "everyone uses it all the time" category (eg ipod, iphone, airpods). Certainly smart home stuff is kinda in the first category right now, like you said. Perhaps they believe they can give them the same treatment? It seems kinda plausible to me: there's n…

Is it actually a good idea, though? It's crystal clear why companies would want to make and sell smart home devices which get customers locked into proprietary web services, but the problems these gadgets are meant to solve for the user have always struck me as... trivial. The last thing I want in my house are more fussy, flaky widgets to manage; they'd better have a really good reason to exist.

Anything more than air, water, shelter, food, and companionship is trivial.

I want to live like I'm in Star Trek. The good Trek, not the new stuff.

So when I wake up to pee in the middle of the night because I'm an old man my bathroom light turns on, dimmed to its lowest level, upon detecting my presence in the bathroom. I do my business and stumble back to bed and the light turns itself off.

When I leave home my front door locks, and when I pull into the driveway it unlocks. Also if the sun has set, the driveway, front porch, and foyer lights turn on.

When I say "hey Siri, it's movie time" my projector turns on, the lights dim, and if music is playing elsewhere it stops.

One day I was on the road for work and a package was unexpectedly delivered. I texted my neighbor to put it in my garage and opened my garage door from 2,700 miles away. When they replied that it was safe from the rain, I closed it.

Triviality. Beautiful, glorious, triviality.

I love it.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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Multi-user support is possibly something deserving of a larger rewrite to iOS. It's been a pretty big assumption in all of the devices outside Macos, right?

It’s supported for iPads, just locked by software [1]. 1: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/deployment/dep9a34c2ba...

I don't know if this is still the case but the last time I saw this discussion, someone with experience using the "shared iPad" education feature said it seemed like a massive hack, and switching users was seemingly implemented by "seamlessly" doing a full reset of the iPad to the new user, taking a bunch of time to backup the old user and restore the new one, nothing like a quick user switch on macOS, and nothing you'd want to use as a family handing an iPad back and forth.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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Apple wants you to buy a new phone every year. Home automation needs support for 30 years. IoT won't ever take off without strict regulations on long term support and open standards, including escrowed support.

Apple has the best track record of anyone for length of OS support on their phones.

They're also trying to pivot from hardware purchases to the recurring revenue of "services". If making your home smart gets you to pay monthly for "Apple One" they'd probably be happy to support that for ages.

Re: Apple rumored to be working on a smart home operating system version

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Was Johnny Ive really a driver of innovation? Or just trading repairabily for vanity metrics?

You tell me, was the iPhone innovative?

The iPhone wasn’t as innovative as the AppStore which didn’t come around until iPhone OS 2. Selling software like music changed everything
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