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When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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This article is about the Church Committee, if you're interested in the heart attack gun see: https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun Also it's interesting to note how Russia doesn't use a gun like this, they spike drinks/food or spray it on surfaces like doorknobs.

There's dark pattern behavior in the ad on that site, tricked me into clicking what I think was a cookies button.

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Besides the Church Committee testimony, is there any evidence for the heart attack gun existing? There's part of me that wonders if they made it up for the purpose of disclosing it to Congress, to make themselves seem like they were authentically participating in the overview and accountability proceedings. Kind of like the way murder suspects in police interrogations might give unprompted and quite possibly fake con…

The CIA's dart gun likely used a compressed gas system with flechette-style projectiles that are stabilized by their center of gravity rather than fletchings, similar to technology developed for special operations where the projectile is designed to dissolve or fragment after delivery.

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ice needle projectile maybe

That one was so famous that people actually tried it out and eventually debunked it. The US establishment, just like any other state engages in propaganda. Like the whole thing about Russia being able to nuke the entire world 1337 times over. All of these claims need to be taken with a grain of salt.

> "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false"

I think they succeeded awhile ago already with that

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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America is occupied and the most powerful entities are not accountable one bit to the people, but have been captured by the small circle of "elites"

I cannot tell if you’re being randomly vague or dog whistling here. Who do you think is occupying? Ahem., “occupying”?

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella is basically the same thing and your linked article mentions the CIA stole the idea from the Russians.

Isn't that more likely to be some kind of training mission for a junior agent? (make it personal, not totally clean and get away with it anyway?) When they just want to make sure to kill someone, dumping a few magazines into the body and driving over it afterwards for good measure, like that ex-pilot in Spain, appears to do the trick just fine.

To be fair FSB/GRU doesn’t really care about it being secret

A lot of assassinations are sending a message

Russia abandoned a lot of the “secret” part of their dirty ops in the past decade and just farms it out

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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post #7

This article is about the Church Committee, if you're interested in the heart attack gun see: https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun Also it's interesting to note how Russia doesn't use a gun like this, they spike drinks/food or spray it on surfaces like doorknobs.

Or underpants, as they did with navalny.

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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It really makes you wonder what other weapons they have that we don't know about.

There are weapons that can permanently paralyze an entire city. Not paralyze infrastructure or traffic... but permanent incurable paralysis of all the people in any area exposed to the weapon. That is still a 20th century technology.

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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Besides the Church Committee testimony, is there any evidence for the heart attack gun existing? There's part of me that wonders if they made it up for the purpose of disclosing it to Congress, to make themselves seem like they were authentically participating in the overview and accountability proceedings. Kind of like the way murder suspects in police interrogations might give unprompted and quite possibly fake con…

This is a huge problem IMO. You have to assume the CIA are the absolute masters of layered deception. I just listened to Anna Paulina Luna on Joe Rogan drone on about the CIA and remote viewing. I just assume that is all some kind of booby trap nonsense to fall into. I actually think the whole interview was Anna telling the bullshit the CIA showed her to keep her from finding anything that matters. Same way with clas…

Booby trap setup by who? Who are these mysterious master minds?

Re: When the CIA got away with building a heart attack gun

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post #7

This article is about the Church Committee, if you're interested in the heart attack gun see: https://allthatsinteresting.com/heart-attack-gun Also it's interesting to note how Russia doesn't use a gun like this, they spike drinks/food or spray it on surfaces like doorknobs.

This seems _so_ much like a fake weapon.

It shoots an ice pellet, which can stay perfectly intact for a range of 100m(!), yet leaves a “tiny red prick on the victim” (implying it’s maybe a ~1mm in diameter), yet also instantly melts when it hits the victim?

And the gun has a ginormous scope, on top of a “modified colt m1911” that was made electric? How and why would you modify a non-electric handgun with a large internal barrel for this?

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