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The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

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Re: The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

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Post by bostik »

sitkack wrote: post #46
jlarocco wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a more interesting question is: At what point can we give an AI agent $100, set it free on the internet, come back in a week, and it'll have $1000?

Because it killed 5 people for $200 each by shutting off their CPAP machines?

I know you're joking, but this doesn't feel too far off the mark in this world of late-stage capitalism run amok. Give it another 15 years and the bleeding edge[!] insurance companies are likely employing agents to go after clients who have become a net drain on their P&L.

The agents probably won't be doing that "themselves", but instead will be offering bounties (think: contracts) on suitably well hidden assassination markets. After all, as a machine AI cannot be held accountable for what is essentially a management decision.

I'm personally still waiting for the first country to go full Running Man to solve their prison overcrowding issues, and in addition to entertainment licensing deals also offer state-sanctioned gambling options to get a second bite.

Re: The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

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Post by pimlottc »

ikari_pl wrote: post #63

I've been submitting my dad's death certificate to Facebook for 4 years now. His account is still active and people still wish him happy birthday every year. Facebook has a process for that. You have a dedicated proof, like death certificate, upload form, and the account is supposed to change into "in memoriam". Their part of the process is not to give a shit.

I just went through that process now. I had to sent them a death certificate four times but it seems like they have finally accepted it.

Re: The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

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Post by junon »

ikari_pl wrote: post #63

I've been submitting my dad's death certificate to Facebook for 4 years now. His account is still active and people still wish him happy birthday every year. Facebook has a process for that. You have a dedicated proof, like death certificate, upload form, and the account is supposed to change into "in memoriam". Their part of the process is not to give a shit.

This actually used to work well. I had to memorialize my ex boyfriend's (long time ago) profile. His mother was using it to spout scripture of homophobic nature, and message his friends acting like he was still around - to this day, I'm not sure to what end.

Once it was memorialized, I got the expected harumph message from her passed through the grapevine, and then never heard about it again. All it took was a link to his online obit from the local newspaper. Took maybe 3-4 days to process.

That was about 15 years ago, so it doesn't surprise me that program has fallen by the wayside since then.

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Post by rectang »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #21
rectang wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you deny others their wish to have their data deleted?

Actually, do living persons have the right to die? That's really not firmly established legally — the state has been saying no to suicide for a long time. Not making a moral claim here, just pointing out that something that seems to be an individual right might not have strong legal precedence.

An excellent point. Compelling others to live no matter how great their pain or grim their prospects has much in common with compelling others to cede their likenesses after death no matter how much the usage might go against their wishes. In both cases, it's external collectivists demanding that an individual exist only for the benefit of other entities — either society at large, or private businesses.

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Post by singleshot_ »

efitz wrote: post #49

When you’re dead, you don’t have rights anymore because you’re not a person anymore. Anything of value that survived your death- property, money, IP rights, etc. now are part of an estate which is administered and distributed according to your will and/or state law. Other than your state’s law and your will, it’s not up to you what happens to your stuff after you die. Artifacts of your existence that you did not own,…

> It would probably be worth having a law that says that your likeness is part of your estate, and then it can be covered by estate law.

Varies state to state, but you might google "postmortem right of likeness" to determine whether it would truly be worth it to have such a law.

Re: The dead need right to delete their data so they can't be AI-ified, lawyer says

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Post by progval »

jlarocco wrote: post #37
nvch wrote: post #15

I'm waiting for the moment when all alive internet users will become AI-ified to test how to show them better ads. It's possible that all the necessary data is already there. In cloud storage plus those intrusive DBs for sale. Eventually someone will start selling accurate personas for $0.99.

I think a more interesting question is: At what point can we give an AI agent $100, set it free on the internet, come back in a week, and it'll have $1000?

Where would the money come from?

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Post by Nadya »

efitz wrote: post #68
Nadya wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The argument of likeness seems odd to me because there are at least a dozen people who might look almost exactly like you who are alive somewhere in the world. What if I give explicit permission to use my likeness but my lookalike demands it can't be used? We're both dead. Do my wishes not get respected because someone who looks like they could be my identical twin had other wishes? Whoever's estate has the deeper po…

To lawyers, “likeness”is a term of art and means much more than just how you look, including image, name, voice, and other identifiable features. Basically it’s what actors bring to contracts in addition to their labor. I don’t claim to understand all the intricacies but it is the relevant term of art when discussing this topic from a legal perspective.

Yes, but none of that is truly unique. The odds of a doppleganger sharing my name are astronomically slim but my looks, voice, interests, personality, etc. are not truly unique to me.

For an example, what of voice impersonators? Sounding like Morgan Freeman is not unique to Morgan Freeman. What if a soundalike legally changes their name to Morgan Freeman? What if a lookalike changes their name?

I'm familiar with the existence of such laws but less so with how they are enforced or how they can even be enforced at all. The laws have never made that much sense to me.

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

grej wrote: post #48

Out - A scammer convincing a grandmother to send money using an AI generated voice of their grandchild asking them for money In - A legal ad tech company using an AI generated deceased grandmother to ask their grandchild to purchase a product

This version of black mirror is definitely a sight to behold. I am convinced now it is a likely path given that I am working on a personal productivity suite that heavily utilizes AI augmented workflows ( as in, I can't possibly be the only one, who sees potential for a boost across the board ).

But this is now a real consideration, after all the pieces of my suite are in place, how do I make sure, it is really not operational when I am gone unless I wish it to stay.

Also in: pan-generational advisors

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Post by skeledrew »

efitz wrote: post #49

When you’re dead, you don’t have rights anymore because you’re not a person anymore. Anything of value that survived your death- property, money, IP rights, etc. now are part of an estate which is administered and distributed according to your will and/or state law. Other than your state’s law and your will, it’s not up to you what happens to your stuff after you die. Artifacts of your existence that you did not own,…

What about your identical twin, who has a very different take on what can be done with their likeness?

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 »

sitkack wrote: post #44
nvch wrote: post #15

I'm waiting for the moment when all alive internet users will become AI-ified to test how to show them better ads. It's possible that all the necessary data is already there. In cloud storage plus those intrusive DBs for sale. Eventually someone will start selling accurate personas for $0.99.

This already happens, it is just the base model plus some in context data.

I am personally looking into 'backing up' my individual personal model, but it is not as straight forward as just copy pasting context data ( not if you want sufficiently deterministic/convincing model ). It is a fair amount of things to consider ( and not directly available on mainstream APIs like chatgpt ). Yes, the bare minimum can be done easily, but easy stuff is not as reliable.
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