I have no respect for republicans. Very hysterical people.
New executive order puts all grants under political control
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#72This ends science in the United States. You can't really enroll graduate students for a 5 year PHD project if their funding can be pulled at a moment's notice like this.
I genuinely don't understand this. This is due to my lack of experience in University since I never went, and my experience with laboratories, since I've only ever been in one, much to the annoyance of my best friends girlfriend at the time, who was studying Chinook and their spawning behavior.
My understanding is the grants you're talking about are generally for small student salaries as they work on a given project simultaneously with their continued education. Is there not another way to fund these projects? Is there not a better way to engage students into these projects? I don't recall most students having a wide array of choices when it comes to taking on these opportunities.
Is this not a chance to improve a rather ancient and clumsy system?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not because they trusted their scientists to be able to do it though. They used the plans stolen form the US instead.
The Soviets had the first flying object in space, the first animal in space, the first human in space, first spacewalk, first woman, first space station. I doubt those plans were all in the US, and if they were, the US didn’t use them.
> The Soviets had the […]first woman,[…]
That is quite the claim !
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#74But JD Vance using the military so he can have high water while Kayaking for his birthday is ok
Wtf US
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/06/jd-vance-ohi...
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#75If European leadership has even half a brain cell this could be the catalyst for enormous growth in European science. But they’d need to act fast.
China enters the chat.
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#76Related paulg tweet: https://x.com/paulg/status/1951996478555357530 "The Trump administration has suspended the funding of Terence Tao and the Institute for Pure and Applied Mathematics at UCLA."
All bureaucrats do this sort of thing: shut down something innocent to serve as a rallying cry.
UCLA has $8 billion in endowments and the state universities in total have $30 billion in endowment funds. How many years could they fund Tao and his institute if they really wanted to?
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#77There's a reason the Americans discovered how to make atomic weapons first and it's because their researchers were living under a less oppressive state that wasn't motivated by anti-intellectualism and dumb ideology.
But they didn't. An Australian nuclear scientist working for the UK Rutherford (New Zealander) labs | Tube Alloys | MAUD program told them how to. It took a while to convince the US scientists who were mainly interested in making big hot piles for power. The actual building of atomic weapons (Trinity, Fat Man and Little Boy) took place under a fully authoritarian ultra secret State directed militarily controlled prog…
The jingoist dream of America is falling apart. It must seem, to some who are very dependent on it existing, as if the sky actually is falling. Perhaps it's just a good opportunity for them to study history that has been untouched by North American propaganda.
Anyways, we have the Internet, I'm not sure it matters _where_ innovations are created anymore. It certainly does not seem to be stopping China on any level.
America is going to have to give up the "World Police" (a.k.a. The Military Industrial Complex) badge and move into it's relative political middle age with a little more care and aplomb than the last 6 decades have allowed for. The haze of WW2 is far behind us now.
Re: New executive order puts all grants under political control
#78This ends science in the United States. You can't really enroll graduate students for a 5 year PHD project if their funding can be pulled at a moment's notice like this.
This ends science in the United States.
Probably not. Grants were always under political control, right? This is just shifting political control from one part of a government agency to another part of the government agency.
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#80If European leadership has even half a brain cell this could be the catalyst for enormous growth in European science. But they’d need to act fast.
Not until decision makers in Germany exchange ideas through fax machines first
Well it’s an upgrade on chiseling out woodcuts at least.