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Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by siva7 »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #53
siva7 wrote: post #37

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What's up with these ai companies? Lab A announces major news, B and C follow about one hour later. This is only possible if those follow the same bizarre marketing strategy to wrap up news and advancements in a secure safe until they need to pack it out after competitor made first move.

No, they just pay attention to each other (some combination of reading the lines, reading between the lines, listening to loose lips, maybe even a spy or two) and copycat + frontrun. The fast follower didn't have the release sitting in a safe so much as they rushed it out the door when prompted, and during the whole development they knew this was a possibility so they kept it able to be rushed out the door. Whatever…

now you got me interested. are there public cases about spies being used by tech execs to infiltrate the competition?

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by skybrian »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #53
siva7 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's up with these ai companies? Lab A announces major news, B and C follow about one hour later. This is only possible if those follow the same bizarre marketing strategy to wrap up news and advancements in a secure safe until they need to pack it out after competitor made first move.

No, they just pay attention to each other (some combination of reading the lines, reading between the lines, listening to loose lips, maybe even a spy or two) and copycat + frontrun. The fast follower didn't have the release sitting in a safe so much as they rushed it out the door when prompted, and during the whole development they knew this was a possibility so they kept it able to be rushed out the door. Whatever…

Also, it’s in a customer’s best interest to tell suppliers about competing offers. That’s a fairly basic negotiation tactic.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by kridsdale1 »

janice1999 wrote: post #64
amluto wrote: post #51

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I find it unlikely that the margins on inference hardware will remain anywhere near as high as they are right now. Inference at scale can be complex, but the complexity is manageable. You can do fancy batched inference, or you can make a single pass over the relevant weights for each inference step. With more models using MoE, the latter is more tractable, and the actual tensor/FMA units that do the bulk of the math…

Is there a viable non-Nvidia vendor for inference at scale? AMD? Or is in-house hardware like Google and Amazon?

Yes to all of the above.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by adestefan »

bikeshaving wrote: post #66
janice1999 wrote: post #35

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> I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. Google has been doing this since May. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-30/google-pl...

How do you get an AI model to serve ads to the user without risking misalignment, insofar as users typically don’t want ads in responses?

You don’t. You can’t even serve ads in search without issues. Even when ads on Google were basic text not inline they were an intrusion into the response.

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Post by [deleted] »

bikeshaving wrote: post #66
janice1999 wrote: post #35

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> I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. Google has been doing this since May. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-30/google-pl...

How do you get an AI model to serve ads to the user without risking misalignment, insofar as users typically don’t want ads in responses?

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Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by bix6 »

garciasn wrote: post #62
bix6 wrote: post #57

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Absolutely not. Fed workers are epic. Get out of here with that nonsense.

You're making a very big generalization; just like any organization, there are great and terrible workers and everyone in between.

Sure but the parent comment made an equally big generalization that I interpreted as a slight against federal workers which is not something I agree with. In general the only issue I have with Fed workers is wait time which is not in their control since every agency is understaffed.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by 827a »

queuebert wrote: post #45

I'm struggling to think of a federal job in which having ChatGPT would make them more productive. I can think of many ways to generate more bullshit and emails, however. Can someone help me out?

There are 2.2 million federal workers. If you can't think of anywhere that tools like this could improve productivity, it speaks more to your lack of imagination or lack of understanding of what federal workers do than anything intrinsic to the technology.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Post by AnotherGoodName »

cpursley wrote: post #50
Group_B wrote: post #30

Right now AI is in the grow at all costs phase. So for the most part access to AI is way cheaper than it will be in the next 5-10 years. All these companies will eventually have to turn a profit. Once that happens, they'll be forced to monetize in whatever way they can. Enterprise will obviously have higher subscriptions. But I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. What's scar…

I'm more inclined to think it was follow the cloud's trajectory with pricing getting pushed down as these things become hot-swappable utilities (and they already are to some extent). Even more so with open models capable of running directly on our devices. If anything with OpenAI and Anthropic plus all the coder wrappers, I'm even wondering what their moats are with the open model and wrapper competition coming in ho…

I'm already seeing this with my AI subscription via Jetbrains (no i don't work for them in any way). I can choose from various flavors of GPT, Gemini and Claude in a drop down whenever i prompt.

There's definitely big business in becoming the cable provider while the AI companies themselves are the channels. There's also a lot of negotiating power working against the AI companies here. A direct purchase from Anthropic for Claude access has a much lower quota than using it via Jetbrains subscription in my experience.

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Post by roughly »

bikeshaving wrote: post #66
janice1999 wrote: post #35

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> I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. Google has been doing this since May. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-30/google-pl...

How do you get an AI model to serve ads to the user without risking misalignment, insofar as users typically don’t want ads in responses?

The same way you do with every other product. Ads redefine alignment, because they redefine who the product is for.
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