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North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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Odd that he was sent abroad to do it, I always assumed they just did it from NK instead of abroad. Also only having to give 85% to the regime seems pretty weird to me, it’d seem more logical to give 100% to the regime and have them provide the workers with a very cheap bed and food

Every regime needs some way to encourage people other than "we'll kill you if you don't". Letting them keep 15% makes the work more attractive.

In the UK they let us keep 50%

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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You're just feeding into western propaganda. Yes North Korean people are poor and there's tons of inequality but they are still real people. They are not in a constant war being bombed and tortured endlessly. They tend to farms, chat with friends, make jokes, feel pain and joy, they do what they can. I know that sounds like literal hell to a tech obsessed population that has to filter everything through the lens of s…

The only bad things in the daily NK life you mentioned are poverty and inequality (more about that below [0]). You did not mention famine, physical oppression, lack of healthcare, censorship-all of which are well documented. I am afraid it is not me who is pushing some type of propaganda… [0] about inequality in communist countries- these countries had much less inequality than western countries. Almost everyone was…

>> about inequality in communist countries- these countries had much less inequality than western countries.

Maybe some, while others had much higher inequality. E.g. Tito lived like a king. Not only did he amass huge private fortune, he also used state owned means for his private pleasure. I think it was very similar for Ceausescu and other dictators.

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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A random person in your own country is more trustworthy for two reasons. 1. background checks 2. more ability to meet face to face. 3. ability to go after them for wrongdoing (either civil cases or chances of getting the police to follow up on anything criminal.

And off by one errors.

See? If I had not offshored that comment I would have written three!

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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The risk is not the quality of the work that the person might do. The risk is that you now have a state-controlled North Korean asset operating inside your security perimeter.

It's 2025, it's all about zero-trust now. Can't be inside the security perimeter when there is no security perimeter. Hiring mischievous North Koreans is fully in line with your CIO's new priorities, which she heard about at a conference once.

Zero trust doesn't do anything for you when you give the person a legitimate account with access, which presumably you must do for employees else they can't typically do any work

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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But are they any good? I suppose they must be, as they seem to retain their jobs, but how do they rank overall? Also, I tend to think that maintaining these interactions going might be a way to let more information into Naughty Korea and might actually have a positive influence in the long run.

I interviewed one guy who probably was one of them and he was not a genius enough that I could ignore the aura of confusion and sus. I didn't think it was NK until way later but now it makes sense Probably got lucky otherwise I would have no work myself because I think the client isn't that rich, they would go out of business from ransomware attack

I'm pretty sure I interviewed one of these guys too. He was impressive, until you got far enough off script and started finding red flags. I realized at one point too that he was reading a lot of prepared statements (and doing so with skills a politician would envy)

Re: North Korea sent him abroad to be a secret IT worker

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> Jin-su spent most of his time trying to secure fraudulent identities which he could use to apply for jobs. He would first pose as Chinese, and contact people in Hungary, Turkey and other countries to ask them to use their identity in exchange for a percentage of his earnings, he told the BBC. "If you put an 'Asian face' on that profile, you'll never get a job." He would then use those borrowed identities to approac…

Germany: I don't know of anything a normal company could do as a "background check". Some sectors can ask for a criminal record which the future employee has to provide. Of 3 companies I was at, 0 required (or were allowed to require) this.

Military/government jobs with secret data have their own, through clearance checks of course, but a random IT company would never have this.

On the other hand, you have to submit so many tax, social security, insurance-related IDs which are cross-checked, I don't think it's feasible to impersonate someone here. It's also a reason why over-employment is not possible.

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