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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by mupuff1234 »

twixfel wrote: post #67
mupuff1234 wrote: post #66

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So violence is the answer?

The UN partition was an act of violence. Violence leads to violence. It's not even about right or wrong, it's just eminently predictable and blaming the Arabs for not accepting it is just ridiculous. Of course they didn't accept it. Nobody would have accepted it in their position.

Do you also agree that with the same logic it makes no sense for Israel to agree to something like the right of return? Nobody else in their position would accept it.

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Post by sitkack »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #29
tossandthrow wrote: post #15

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That there should be only 8 places in the world where you can find elite thinkers, all located in the US, is such extreme American nationalism and straight up ignorant.

We can thank Hitler for the exodus of academics to the US and for the creation of the Israel/Palestine issue (without the holocaust/ww2, the state would never had been made).

Zionism and Jewish colonizing of Palestine started before WW1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by Hikikomori »

vFunct wrote: post #32
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

What's going to be interesting is when the next Democratic administration comes into power, they're going to be extremely anti-Israel, given that the Democratic base is fully against Israel now at a 5:1 ratio. There will never be another Democratic President that supports Israel (none of the pro-israel candidates have any hope of ever being President) and this will mean extremely hard anti-Israeli action, using prece…

The party largely fully supports Israel.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

Do you really think the Trump administration is committed to its pro-Israel position? If they flipped sides, how long would it take for 90% of their voters to adjust and be happy again?

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Post by estomagordo »

WJW wrote: post #35
willvarfar wrote: post #12

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This is breaking news over the last few days. Some of the coverage https://www.ft.com/content/2fe65dbf-65a5-41f3-aaab-5661c0146...

Sure, but what kind of action does it imply? North Korea is recognized by (almost?) every country too, but that doesn't mean anyone is hurrying to provide aid to starving North Koreans. Similarly the international recognition of Azerbaijan and Armenia did nothing to prevent one from taking Nagorno-Karabach from the other earlier this year. So "recognizing the Palestinian state" is all good and well, but unless anyone…

Yes, recognizing Palestine should be a very simple and uncontroversial thing. And yet.

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Post by wiz21c »

sitkack wrote: post #57
fabian2k wrote: post #20

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Antisemitism is just an excuse for these actions against universities, it's a pretext. Not a particularly believable one anyway, but that doesn't seem to matter. The Trump administration is punishing institutions that disagree with it, or that it dislikes for some reason.

MAGA is heavily antisemitic, you absolutely right that this is pretext. They would have picked something else, this is just the best one at the time.

Considering US support to Israel, I wonder if MAGA is Trump or not...

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Post by lupusreal »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students."

Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

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Post by hydrogen7800 »

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #22

Hopefully people will now see the benefit of not centralizing basically all of the power and money on Earth in institutions. It is extremely annoying how it is a natural fact of life that entities tend to agglomerate and acquire each other, when instead the best way to ensure freedom and openness is through federation.

>Hopefully people will now see the benefit of not centralizing basically all of the power and money on Earth in institutions.

I'm interpreting your comment in the context of scientific institutions being beholden to centralized institutions (i.e. the US federal gov't) via funding. Is that accurate? If so, what's the alternative? The explosion in scientific and technological research in the the 20th century was enabled by the fact that the governments recognized its value and consciously funded it. Prior to that, it was essentially only a small cohort of the aristocracy who saw the value in these pursuits, and was limited by their means and interests.

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