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Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by general1726 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 5:17 AM UTC

o11c wrote: post #46

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #9

I'm still confused about the purpose behind these laws. Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? Because there's now two whole generations of kids who have grown up watching porn (my generation, and the one after). So far younger people don't seem any more fucked up than people were before, only the older people seem to be getting worse.

> Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? This absolutely is a real problem, especially for younger kids. Have you talked to a teacher? Think things like "a kindergartner runs around grabbing teachers' tits and saying "I want to ..." lines you'd expect from a rape work like 50 Shades of Gray . It is neither in the child's interest nor in the interest of society at large to…

Kid can also cut itself with a knife, let's ban knives, even if it saves one child from getting cut...

Maybe problem is not a knife. Maybe problem are parents who are expecting that state will baby sit their children.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by o11c » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 5:22 AM UTC

edgineer wrote: post #69

o11c wrote: post #46

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> Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? This absolutely is a real problem, especially for younger kids. Have you talked to a teacher? Think things like "a kindergartner runs around grabbing teachers' tits and saying "I want to ..." lines you'd expect from a rape work like 50 Shades of Gray . It is neither in the child's interest nor in the interest of society at large to…

Bad influences come in many forms, and remedies aren't always laws.

Then why has nobody proposed an alternative remedy in all these years?

Sure, a law won't automagically fix everything. But it provides the starting point that almost every individual or group action must rely on.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by TFYS » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 5:43 AM UTC

general1726 wrote: post #71

o11c wrote: post #46

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> Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? This absolutely is a real problem, especially for younger kids. Have you talked to a teacher? Think things like "a kindergartner runs around grabbing teachers' tits and saying "I want to ..." lines you'd expect from a rape work like 50 Shades of Gray . It is neither in the child's interest nor in the interest of society at large to…

Kid can also cut itself with a knife, let's ban knives, even if it saves one child from getting cut... Maybe problem is not a knife. Maybe problem are parents who are expecting that state will baby sit their children.

Knives are useful. What's the the benefit of porn? Before I discovered porn, I just used my imagination and got the same level of "entertainment" as you now must get from porn.

Porn does harm some people, as it's easy to get addicted to it, and there's a lot of bad things happening on the supply side of it. I'm sure porn has also changed how people behave and what people expect in relationships, but it's hard to study such things. The amount of sex we have has decreased recently. I don't know if it's due to porn, but it'd be worth studying. If sexual satisfaction is easily available, there's less reason to seek the real thing.

It's beyond parents to fix these things, at best they can delay the discovery of porn for a few years, but that doesn't fix anything.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by general1726 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 6:04 AM UTC

TFYS wrote: post #73

general1726 wrote: post #71

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Kid can also cut itself with a knife, let's ban knives, even if it saves one child from getting cut... Maybe problem is not a knife. Maybe problem are parents who are expecting that state will baby sit their children.

Knives are useful. What's the the benefit of porn? Before I discovered porn, I just used my imagination and got the same level of "entertainment" as you now must get from porn. Porn does harm some people, as it's easy to get addicted to it, and there's a lot of bad things happening on the supply side of it. I'm sure porn has also changed how people behave and what people expect in relationships, but it's hard to stud…

What is a benefit of a video game? People can get addicted on gaming, let's ban it. What is a benefit a of a good steak? It is not healthy, let's ban it.

You don't like stuff other people enjoy and then you will go out of your way with ludicrous excuses to destroy it for others. Like a religious bigot.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by TFYS » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 6:13 AM UTC

general1726 wrote: post #74

TFYS wrote: post #73

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Knives are useful. What's the the benefit of porn? Before I discovered porn, I just used my imagination and got the same level of "entertainment" as you now must get from porn. Porn does harm some people, as it's easy to get addicted to it, and there's a lot of bad things happening on the supply side of it. I'm sure porn has also changed how people behave and what people expect in relationships, but it's hard to stud…

What is a benefit of a video game? People can get addicted on gaming, let's ban it. What is a benefit a of a good steak? It is not healthy, let's ban it. You don't like stuff other people enjoy and then you will go out of your way with ludicrous excuses to destroy it for others. Like a religious bigot.

Well sure, there's entertainment value. But there's plenty of harmful things that people enjoy that we ban because the entertainment value is not worth the downsides. I enjoy driving very fast, but I'm not allowed to do it (except in very limited areas) because the negative effects outweigh the positive ones.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by StanislavPetrov » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 6:31 AM UTC

tokioyoyo wrote: post #70

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #67

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No skin in the game here either. I'd agree that smartphones and social media are also very damaging. >I don't think porn consumption among teenage girls are high, yet their depression rates are high as well. That isn't what the data says. >Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began youn…

> had watched online pornography This is very broad, we both know what "being too much into porn" means. I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man. And let me put it this way, most of my friends (guys and girls) are far from being puritan. Consumption type between these two groups is significantly different. But I might be making stuff up. I just think social media is more damaging, because…

>I doubt that an average girl watches as much porn as an average man.

If you are talking about men and women, perhaps that is true. I'm not of the opinion that watching pornography as an adult matters much one way or the other once your psyche is fully developed. The original OP regarded children and their development, and the study I cited was taken among children aged 13-17. These aren't my numbers, this is a peer-reviewed study.

>Seven in 10 who admitted they had watched porn intentionally said they had done so in the past week.

>Seventy-three percent of the respondents (75 percent of boys and 70 percent of girls) said they had watched online pornography. The average age they started was 12. Many began younger.

I also think social media is more damaging to children, but it isn't a zero sum game. With or without social media, I don't see how anyone can credibly argue that child exposure to (often extremely violent) hardcore pornography isn't a contributing negative factor.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by corney91 » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

general1726 wrote: post #71

o11c wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? This absolutely is a real problem, especially for younger kids. Have you talked to a teacher? Think things like "a kindergartner runs around grabbing teachers' tits and saying "I want to ..." lines you'd expect from a rape work like 50 Shades of Gray . It is neither in the child's interest nor in the interest of society at large to…

Kid can also cut itself with a knife, let's ban knives, even if it saves one child from getting cut... Maybe problem is not a knife. Maybe problem are parents who are expecting that state will baby sit their children.

I'm not sure that comparison makes the point you want, here in the UK you already get IDed to buy knives: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/sale-of-knives-vo...

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by cookiengineer » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 6:50 AM UTC

Hnrobert42 wrote: post #41

cookiengineer wrote: post #37

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What honestly blew my mind was the whole Cookies debate. - EU introduces law, making thirdparty tracking cookies illegal - Every advertisement tracker switches to CNAME based first/secondparty cookies - EU judges decide they are illegal by default, too, without explicit consent - Google pushes out Federal Learning of Cohorts (FLoC) prototype, and essentially saying they track so much of the internet, they don't even…

I'm not sure that's right. I thought it was: - Google pushed out FLOC. - The Internet freaked out. - Google withdrew FLOC.

Once in a while you should run a host firewall and look at the data that Google Safebrowsing receives.

Thinking Google backs off easily given their history is a pretty naive take on how the world works.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by gaoryrt » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:42 AM UTC

throwawaygmbno wrote: post #36

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #9

I'm still confused about the purpose behind these laws. Are there still adults stupid enough to think that watching porn will mess a kid up? Because there's now two whole generations of kids who have grown up watching porn (my generation, and the one after). So far younger people don't seem any more fucked up than people were before, only the older people seem to be getting worse.

There's quite a few accounts on here that will argue in good faith and bad faith that people enjoying oral, anal, gay, bi, or any kink has already ruined society, whether it's solely via porn or real life. The argument usually starts with an assumption that nobody did those things before and it's obvious that life was better before for everyone when those things were viewed as shameful. Personally I think it's been k…

Mostly agree, but oral is good.

Re: British man claims he's unable to watch porn as tattoos confuse age check system

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Post by pas » Fri, Aug 01, 2025, 8:53 AM UTC

o11c wrote: post #72

edgineer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bad influences come in many forms, and remedies aren't always laws.

Then why has nobody proposed an alternative remedy in all these years? Sure, a law won't automagically fix everything . But it provides the starting point that almost every individual or group action must rely on.

A lot of people proposed alternative remedies, shitty parents shouldn't let their kids see porn.

(Then of course the trick is that older kids will show porn to younger ones just to mess with them. Of course ID requirements won't fix this.)