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Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...

I somewhat doubt that scooters are a significant portion of traffic, given that the Finnish warm season is very short. Maybe Finns drive more carefully, drive less, and take alternative transport more often to avoid the ice and snow of half the year?

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#72
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Since we're pretending to know logical fallacies, your deflecting with a slippery slope. Lowering the speed limit by 20 mph is not an extreme change, and it if demonstrates to improve car safety then yes blood should be on your hands for not wanting to drive 20 mph slower. Alternatively, driving is sometimes necessary to deliver goods and travel. But the funny thing is, is that I would GLADLY ban cars in all cities a…

"Slippery slope is a logical fallacy" is a logical fallacy. "Doing the proposed thing makes a bad thing easier or more likely" is a valid concern.

Slippery Slope is a logical fallacy. This is an undeniable fact. There is no syllogistic, propositional, predicate, or type theoretic argument you can make that uses a slippery slope to derive a theorem.

Of course, we are not doing proper logic, which is why I balk at bringing up fallacies anyway, it's bad form and idiotic. Nevertheless, the argument that we shouldn't try to improve safety on the roads because that would lead us to the conclusion that we need to ban driving altogether is so incredibly pathetic that you should feel embarrassed for defending it.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#73
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"More than half of Helsinki’s streets now have speed limits of 30 km/h." This is the only secret. People over speeding is what kills.

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Yes! The penalty is that you get money. Or if you are employed, that your employer goes out of business.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#74

Someone has to put a chart near it, describing the decline in driving in the city. When you're limited to 30kmh, you might as well get a scooter...

Great, scooters are much less likely to kill pedestrians during collisions. I'm glad more people who didn't actually need 2 ton metal boxes are downsizing to something more practical.

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Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#75
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For dumb Americans like me - that 18.641 miles/hr.

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Sorry to say but if we can reduce traffic accidents by a significant margin this way, people being annoyed at having to drive slower is a fine price to pay.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#76
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Your argument is really "I'd rather people die then drive through your city slower."????

I think the argument "I'd rather have a higher risk of dying than do this other unpleasant thing". Which to be fair everyone does all the time (driving habits, eating habits, etc).

No, that's not correct.

It's: "I'd rather have other people have higher risk of dying than me having to do something I'd kinda of not want to do even though the inconvenience is minimal".

Me, me, me, me and me. Fuck the rest.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#77

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50 km/h to 30 km/h on a city commute doesn't make a substantial difference. If you're willing to risk people dying just to get to your preferred McDonald's three minutes earlier, then the problem is you.

> 50 km/h to 30 km/h on a city commute doesn't make a substantial difference. This seems like a weird argument. If your commute is an hour at 50 km/h then it's an hour and 40 minutes at 30 km/h, every day, each way. That seems like... quite a lot?

The speed limit is not 30km/h for the entire trip.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

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I rarely hear anyone in the US honking outside of maybe the downtown of really big cities like NYC.

What part of the parent comments implied comparison to US?

They’re just relaying their experience in the US.

Re: Helsinki records zero traffic deaths for full year

#79
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A 30 km/h limit and decline in driving means zero people have to die. If enforcing scooters meant zero people have to die, I'm not sure what the objection is, truly.

Maybe enforce pedestrian crossings instead. Zero deaths without annoying anybody.

Do you think people rightfully crossing crosswalks never get hit, or do you include the cars in the equation too? What about every other type traffic accident that could be prevented from being fatal by just lowering the speed?
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