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The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by nicoburns »

betaby wrote: post #21
retrac wrote: post #5

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> rising faster than inflation for several years Over here in Canada healthcare spending has been rising faster than general inflation more or less continuously since the 1960s. Seems to be generally true of many wealthy countries. More tech and therapies. And an ageing population. And probably other factors. https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Health_care_cost_r...

Salaries probably pay factor as well? Check the sunshine list, plenty of radiologists making 600k/year. That's literally 10x of the median salary.

Perhaps in the US, but nobody is getting paid that in most public European systems. A quick google suggests that the absolute highest pay band for a doctor in the UK is ~£142k (~$190k USD). And there won't be many making that.

See: https://www.worktheworld.co.uk/blog/highest-paying-medical-j...

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

fragmede wrote: post #49
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #18

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So after every industry is fully automated and everyone has lost all their jobs, do we all just hold hands and walk into the sea together or...?

The way I see it, you have three choices, the government, corporations, or billionaires. It's an oversimplification of power in this world today, but those are your choices. Which one of those do you pick to clothe and feed and house you, after the singularity happens?

Government. 100%. It has issues certainly as every organization created by humans does, but corporations already run almost everything and that's why most everything is on fire. And billionaires are just the dumbasses in charge of the aforementioned corporations.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by kelseyfrog »

crmd wrote: post #61
fragmede wrote: post #49

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The way I see it, you have three choices, the government, corporations, or billionaires. It's an oversimplification of power in this world today, but those are your choices. Which one of those do you pick to clothe and feed and house you, after the singularity happens?

Another potential alternative is healthy capitalism, where a large number healthcare providers are in competition with each other to provide the best service at the lowest cost. In this model a hospital, for example, would be forbidden to buy another hospital down the road, in the same way a doctor’s office would be forbidden to buy a second doctor’s office, because both cases reduce competition.

That would be government. Markets don't regulate themselves and monopoly is the natural equilibrium state of capitalism.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by constantcrying »

wvenable wrote: post #19
constantcrying wrote: post #4

Much of the west is getting older and getting sicker. How unsurprising. What even is the solution? Expand the already massive healthcare sector further? Where does the money for that come from?

We have the money. Wealth is everywhere but as a society it's neither evenly distributed nor compassionately allocated. But that is human nature.

Absolutely. Especially the old think that they deserve unlimited funding, even when they have failed totally at creating the conditions which would make that funding possible and now their costs are spread over an ever declining population of young people.

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Post by an0malous »

nsksl wrote: post #69

Nurses in Spain make 2500-3000 euro a month, in a country where the most common salary is 1250 euro. Are they overworked? Well then they can take a pay cut so we can hire more of them.

Same for doctors, we constrain the number of new doctors trained every year to keep their salaries high. Just like constraining the housing supply to keep housing prices high, greed has corrupted these systems from getting better and now we’re just asking people to die instead.

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by an0malous »

fragmede wrote: post #49
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So after every industry is fully automated and everyone has lost all their jobs, do we all just hold hands and walk into the sea together or...?

The way I see it, you have three choices, the government, corporations, or billionaires. It's an oversimplification of power in this world today, but those are your choices. Which one of those do you pick to clothe and feed and house you, after the singularity happens?

Those are all the same choice

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by trhway »

asdfj999 wrote: post #54

If I could change one thing about healthcare, it would be how we handle end of life care. Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot walk or talk for years, advanced dementia plus many other serious comorbidities, with severe malnutrition and recurrent aspiration pneumonia, with large non-healing sacral ulcers, who shit and piss themselves, and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to…

>Sadly, hospitals are full of 80-90+ year old people who cannot ... and the family continues to insist we "do everything" to help this person.

so what? It is on their dime, not yours. If i'm a 90 years old and wanna drag my existence out it is my choice as long as i'm paying for it, directly or through insurance (and Medicare is an insurance too btw)

It is easy to suggest to terminate lives earlier when it isn't your life. History is full of such attempts.

One should be glad that such a large sector of economy - healthcare - has a great stable demand and a great labor market. Overwork - teach more nurses and doctors. The issue is completely self-inflicted as the labor supply is artificially constrained:

"In 2023, U.S. nursing schools turned away 65,766 qualified applicants from baccalaureate and graduate programs, according to the American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN)"

Re: The hit film about overworked nurses that's causing alarm across Europe

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Post by wvenable »

constantcrying wrote: post #75
wvenable wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have the money. Wealth is everywhere but as a society it's neither evenly distributed nor compassionately allocated. But that is human nature.

Absolutely. Especially the old think that they deserve unlimited funding, even when they have failed totally at creating the conditions which would make that funding possible and now their costs are spread over an ever declining population of young people.

Modern society is based on a pyramid scheme and the cancer of infinite growth. We will burn this planet to the ground to ensure that certain classes of people never lose.

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Post by soco »

constantcrying wrote: post #39
soco wrote: post #9

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Make that a discussion with the local politics. In theory at least, everybody will need healthcare in their lives and more so when aging. And we need a plan for that, not to act surprised (the way some leaders act surprised with gas dependency, or with immigration, or with...). Everything can have solutions, if it's not swept under the rug.

>Make that a discussion with the local politics. There is nothing more irrelevant than addressing large scale social issues in local politics. Besides not once in my life have I seen politics improve anything, politics seems to attract the dumbest and most self righteous types of people, who care about nothing but their self image. My time on earth is limited and much too precious to spent it in the company of politi…

Correct me please if I'm wrong but do you maybe mean with that "let's do nothing and just die"? That I cannot accept, so what else?
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