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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Alifatisk »

dom96 wrote: post #58
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

Tim Berners lee thought about this solidproject.org

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by kingstnap »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #61
dom96 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

When you place all the requirements on a software product like what the government has to, then it’s going to be expensive. Anyone who thinks that the total cost of a privacy protecting, government accredited, widely available, reliable, audited, and domestically produced age verification system isn’t going to be in the hundreds of millions has never actually shipped something comparable. It is literally illegal to s…

A small group of closely working skilled engineers would produce something more reliable and far less likely to have a privacy breach than the typical government contracting system.

The idea that a small group of people can't produce something that can scale to millions of people is just false.

It also wouldn't just be cheaper; it would be better. The "government" way of doing things would be far more likely to be broken glue code with privacy issues because all those committee meetings and bottom of the barrel contractor selection don't produce better end results

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by anon7000 »

dom96 wrote: post #58
jhgg wrote: post #4

> government passes law that requires companies to age verify users > said government provides no way to actually verify a human's age > hilarity ensues

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

Oh no, then the government will know how old I am!! (/s)

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by [deleted] »

dfghjk4 wrote: post #34
Culonavirus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bank has an API endpoint that (basically) returns your name and age (in this use case). It can return more for signing electronic docs etc. and is basically your digital ID. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID Need to buy "toys", vape products, alcohol... anything adult online? There's a 3rd party web app (you rightfully don't trust) as an age check in the shopping cart / user account of any of these adult shops,…

Identity shouldn’t be tied to a private institution that requires you to have a bank account to login. Two of the well-used solutions to identity in the U.S. are login.gov (government-managed) and id.me (private, but used by government). Basically to get setup, at some point you have to have physical presence to get an actual government-approved physical ID, which can still be a barrier to some, but it doesn’t requir…

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Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by wood_spirit »

anon7000 wrote: post #73
dom96 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really deserves a digital solution. Let me get a government account and generate tokens that websites can ingest to confirm I'm an adult (and other optional details about me). Having to use passports or poor solutions like face scanning isn't good enough. I guess the reason they don't do this is because they fear the cost, anything governments price up these days seems to be in the billion range. So the politici…

Oh no, then the government will know how old I am!! (/s)

They will also know your habits and kinks etc.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by morkalork »

dfghjk4 wrote: post #34
Culonavirus wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My bank has an API endpoint that (basically) returns your name and age (in this use case). It can return more for signing electronic docs etc. and is basically your digital ID. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID Need to buy "toys", vape products, alcohol... anything adult online? There's a 3rd party web app (you rightfully don't trust) as an age check in the shopping cart / user account of any of these adult shops,…

Identity shouldn’t be tied to a private institution that requires you to have a bank account to login. Two of the well-used solutions to identity in the U.S. are login.gov (government-managed) and id.me (private, but used by government). Basically to get setup, at some point you have to have physical presence to get an actual government-approved physical ID, which can still be a barrier to some, but it doesn’t requir…

>Identity shouldn’t be tied to a private institution

This right here. Just look at what happened with visa/mastercard this week, private institutions can and will cave to special interest groups advocating to block access to legal content.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by amoshi »

hhh wrote: post #5

I think the way discords setup works is reasonable. It’s an on-device model that only submits the outcome of the scan to the platform. I hope they just improve that performance, rather than see this and back out of it entirely and require ID checks.

>It’s an on-device model that only submits the outcome of the scan to the platform.

And that's why it's been bypassed already

https://x.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1949036664132657225

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by zarzavat »

maccard wrote: post #37
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

The UK doesn’t have any form of identity that can be used like this. There’s a very very vocal group of people who oppose the idea to the point that it hasn’t gained traction.

There's three groups:

First, a vocal minority of security freaks lead by Tony Blair who think that forcing everybody to carry ID cards around is a proportionate way to protect Britain from terrorists, illegal immigrants and other foes.

Second, a large proportion of the country who think that the introduction of optional ID cards is a slippery slope towards the first group getting what they want.

Third, another large proportion of people who think that the risk of the first group getting what they want is overblown, or else think that the convenience of being able to prove identity more easily outweighs the inconvenience of having to carry an ID card around everywhere.

In the great ID card battle of the late-00s, the second group won decisively and politicians have been too scared to take up the issue ever since. Except for Blair, but having the face of your political campaign be a war criminal is of negative value to that cause.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by Jigsy »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #60
maccard wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK doesn’t have any form of identity that can be used like this. There’s a very very vocal group of people who oppose the idea to the point that it hasn’t gained traction.

I wouldn't describe myself as a very very vocal person, but I'm not a fan of the UK introducing identity cards as it would almost certainly be misused by the government and the data would be leaked as the UK government is utterly incompetent (when it comes to computers).

Yeah. They left unencrypted child (benefits?) information on a train once.

Re: Users claim Discord's age verification can be tricked with video game characters

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

Yeul wrote: post #22
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmark does it by sending you to a government-owned website, which then uses two factor authentication and responds back verifying one’s identity. I don’t understand why other countries can’t do the same.

The Netherlands has this system but it is ripe for abuse. We still have a few Christ clowns and there's a big fascist party at the moment. How about we don't make lists of people visiting porn sites? How about we accept that children are part of society and not try to put them in little cages like songbirds?

I am fairly certain it can be done in a zero-knowledge way, but regardless, parents should be taking care of this.
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