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You can now disable all AI features in Zed

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Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#71
post #49

Zed seems really nice, and the usability has come a really long way in the last couple of months. That being said, I have one issue, and I hesitate to even bring it up because it seems so shallow: I hate all the themes! They all look so ugly and amateur. I know this is a really trivial thing, it's like complaining I don't like Python because it uses whitespace for indent or something, but I just can't get over it. VS…

I spent a couple hours recreating the theme I was using previously in Sublime Text. The end result was not identical but close enough to feel OK.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#72

I did 4 months of Cursor. Figured I’d try 4 months of Zed, and see from there. I’m about 3 months in and so far might stick with it. I’ve generally been pleased with it. My only issues really have been a) all the settings are just in a file, not even a commented skeleton, and with a decent change rate, hard to invest in learning them; I’d love something like the jetbrains settings dialog b) the stupid placement of th…

Also wish they would put more emphasis on autocompletions, that's like 99% of what I use AI for is basically a better Intellisense

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#73
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Neovim exists.

I don’t want to install 5-10 plugins with a hundreds of config lines just to make it usable. I prefer zed with 0 extensions and vim motions which are built in.

LazyVim makes it trivial, actually. I would take nvim/vim over VSCode any day.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disagree. The tab completion is very annoying when you’re trying to type. I know, I know, AI hipsters think typing code is so 15 minutes ago. Get off my lawn/keyboard. Its agent AI assistant isn’t bad but sadly the restore points button in the AI panel seemed to be broken. The fact it reminds me of sublime text is a big plus for me. The rust evangelism is annoying. Really. No one cares what language a program is writ…

I mean, good AI tab completion feels like a super power. Zed’s is not that good. It’s slow and normally not at all what I want. In cursor, it’s at least 80% of the time jumping to the next thing I was going to do anyways. (Example: I add a function call, and tab recommend jumping to the top of the file, importing the function from the right spot, and then jumping back to the call site. Example2: I change a function s…

both of those examples (auto imports + refactoring) 'just work' in Jetbrains editors, and have for a decade, without any AI at all! and you have the added benefit of no hallucinations when doing a refactor across hundreds of KLOC

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#76
post #53

Something tells me that disabling AI is going to age about as well as disabling JavaScript. Even so, I like what Zed is doing here.

Disabling JS is incredibly beneficial for browser performance, battery life, privacy/tracking protection. As an added bonus, it protects you from malware from all the vulnerabilities in Javascript engines.

It also makes a lot of basic features on websites unusable. Just an HN vote uses JS. They deliberately added a fallback to work without it too, which most websites won't do, but it still has to reload the page.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#77
post #41

I went from VS Code to Cursor, then got frustrated with Cursor breaking keybindings and other things, tried to go back to VS Code but missed the superior tab completion. Then I gave Zed a long hard try, but after over a month of daily usage I went back to Cursor again, just for the tab completion quality. I don't use any of the chat or agent features, but for me Cursor's tab completion is a step forward in work effic…

I went slightly differently:

I used Zed for about a year and a half exclusively, without using any AI features, and then switched to cursor to try AI features out. When Zed released its agent mode, I switched back to Zed.

I absolutely agree that Cursor’s tab completion is far superior to Zeds. The difference is night and day. Cursor’s really is that good. But the Zed agent mode works very well for me and Zed is, IMHO just so much better than an editor. I really hate having to use vscode or a vscode-based editor after using Zed so much (I used vscode exclusively before switching to Zed). And that’s enough for me to give up on the superior tab completion.

I hope Zed eventually improve theirs to a similar experience to cursor, but regardless, I love Zed.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#78
post #24

Sadly, I came back to using VS Code recently. There's a lot to like in Zed but imo that decision to write their own rendering framework is unfortunate, because of ridiculous problems in Linux still not resolved like poor font rendering, especially on low-DPI screens, or visible lags of UI which is being developed to be blazingly fast. So far, VS Code is faster for me.

I listened to a podcast interview with one of the cofounders of zed. One of the revealing things is that he went on and on about how important latency was and how they had to do their own rendering because of the problems they ran into with electron. He also admits that he never used vim, which already has imperceptible latency relative to the terminal emulator, which has already largely solved the text rendering problem.

I understand that there are advantages to being a native app from their perspective, but for me, it is even better for my editor to be integrated into my terminal editor. And because they built it the opposite way though, they have to also build a terminal emulator into their editor.

There is a real cost to building zed this way. If they were an embedded terminal app, they would get full terminal support for free and would not have to implement 2d text rendering. They could even have made a bundled package with an oss terminal emulator like kitty. Then they could have focused strictly on their editing features and value adds. Every engineer hour spent fixing bugs/adding features to the rendering framework is an hour that could have been spent on value adds.

Personally, there is no way that latency itself can be that value add for me because I use neovim and don't use any language plugins so every keystroke already renders instantly. Clearly then you can do everything zed does in a terminal app within at worst tens of milliseconds of latency.

Of course their target market uses vscode and not vim and either doesn't know or care that you do not need to write your own rendering engine to make a low latency, featureful text editor. I am admittedly very much not the target consumer for zed though.

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#79
post #41

I went from VS Code to Cursor, then got frustrated with Cursor breaking keybindings and other things, tried to go back to VS Code but missed the superior tab completion. Then I gave Zed a long hard try, but after over a month of daily usage I went back to Cursor again, just for the tab completion quality. I don't use any of the chat or agent features, but for me Cursor's tab completion is a step forward in work effic…

I've been working on a better tab completion model that stays as an extension: https://ninetyfive.gg/

The main feature I really care about is low latency, which is my main gripe about Copilot. There's still a ways to go to match Cursor's quality but I'm chipping away at it!

Re: You can now disable all AI features in Zed

#80
post #49

Zed seems really nice, and the usability has come a really long way in the last couple of months. That being said, I have one issue, and I hesitate to even bring it up because it seems so shallow: I hate all the themes! They all look so ugly and amateur. I know this is a really trivial thing, it's like complaining I don't like Python because it uses whitespace for indent or something, but I just can't get over it. VS…

You're not alone. The only reason I struggle to onboard to Zed is the design. They're doing an incredible job with the editor, but I have never seen a more bland design in any IDE. It's genuinely so bad that it affects my productivity in it. I'm a fan of Visual Studio and VS Code dark themes, I don't need anything special.
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