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Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

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One of the reasons that credit card companies have an incentive to keep this stuff off people's statements is that they sell your credit card histories on the data market, and would not want you to have a strong reason to want to stop them.

And this is really bad, like I forgot the number of times I give in to get that pack of candy near the register at a shop then after a couple days exactly as the pack is empty I get shown a commercial of the same brand of the same pack/size etc.

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Is there anything that can be done with the weaponization of the payment system? Cryptocurrency as obviously failed, but is there really no possible recourse when every traditional payment method seemingly colludes to not take the business for whatever reason?

> Cryptocurrency as obviously failed I don't think cryptocurrency has failed. Yesterday I successfully payed with crypto when the payment with multiple credit cards failed.

The biggest issue, for me, is that it is really annoying and hard work to use. The easiest way to use it is through something like MetaMask, but imagine trying to get grandma to buy something that way. It's tiring, and she'll probably get her wallet drained at some point.

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#73

> All these porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists so desperate to get their hands on rape-my-little-sister incest games they’re now exchanging clues on how to find them so that they don’t all die overnight," Collective Shout co-founder Melinda Tankard Reist tweeted on July 18th. Which begs the question: Is it true, that there are such games? And how would one defend its availability to the public? Is w#nking o…

>Which begs the question: Is it true, that there are such games? And how would one defend its availability to the public? Is w#nking off to such content considered free speech? We are discussing blocking of legal content by the payment companies. If they do not like this games or GTA or metal music they should make laws. But they are concerned by virtual incest while in USA cousin marriage is still legal in many stat…

The US is actually an outlier in how taboo it considers first-cousin sexual relations. They’re certainly eyebrow-raising these days, but not considered incestuous in most of Europe or other parts of the world (with China and parts of India being two admittedly big exceptions).

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

#74

One of the reasons that credit card companies have an incentive to keep this stuff off people's statements is that they sell your credit card histories on the data market, and would not want you to have a strong reason to want to stop them.

That's an interesting effect but I really don't think that's a significant driver here. It really seems to me like they're just being threatened by activists, journalists, and activist investors.

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#75
post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. You can insist on retail vendors accepting legal tender by law, but these things are online, and online it means every payment can and _will_ be tracked. As with everything you do in public, online payments can and _will_ be used against you (in the labor marketplace, in court, in... everything, to control you and your habits). More people will accept or insist on policing of your and their habits than pe…

>You can insist on retail vendors accepting legal tender by law That's a common misconception. In most jurisdictions retailers can set their own payment policies.

The point is to demand that they be legally required to accept legal tender.

It's a tremendous pain for retailers to accept cash, which is why they're willing to accept high transaction fees from online points of sale.

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

#76

Is there anything that can be done with the weaponization of the payment system? Cryptocurrency as obviously failed, but is there really no possible recourse when every traditional payment method seemingly colludes to not take the business for whatever reason?

I tend to be extremely critical of government regulation, but I think it really could be a tool here. It's important to preserve the ability of payment processors to block fraudulent purchases and they are legally required to block illegal purchases, but surely there is some way to write "you can't block purchases based on perceived reputational risks" into law, right?

It would be very easy to write a law that banned payment processors from refusing service without showing financial justification (e.g. high chargeback rate). But why would the government do that? They like to have power to lean on companies to hurt people where they can't do it directly due to the constitution.

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cryptocurrency as obviously failed I don't think cryptocurrency has failed. Yesterday I successfully payed with crypto when the payment with multiple credit cards failed.

The problem more so is capturing customers on the other end. Every time a site that relies on online payment tries to switch to crypto they say that the majority of potential customers are not willing to use it.

I think it's worse than that. I think they face a backlash for even deigning to support it. Usually the backlash comes from the same people who use the lack of utility of crypto as part of their argument to justify their behaviour.

It's like salting the earth of your garden because nothing will grow in it.

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

#78

One of the reasons that credit card companies have an incentive to keep this stuff off people's statements is that they sell your credit card histories on the data market, and would not want you to have a strong reason to want to stop them.

@grok is this true?

just kidding. this is the first i've heard of that, though.

i don't think it totally makes sense. your card transaction will still say "STEAMGAMES.COM 7264823" or similar, regardless of the content purchased. on top of that, all sorts of shady porn & dating websites that you would NOT want leaked use the credit card companies.

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the harms of pornographic media? To me it seems pretty clear that they help reduce sexual violence (why risk jail if I can safely indulge in a fantasy), and I wouldn't be surprised that countries with pornographic bans are more misogynistic.

This is like arguing legalizing prostitution prevents rape; and actually, it should be mandatory to allow it for that purpose. If we had a brothel in every city and in the back of every gas station, surely this would work out better for everyone.

Should we? Idk. Escorts are quite available in the US, but I'd never use one. However if I could step into the back for a quickie while the tank was filling...

Re: Australian anti-porn group claims responsibility for Steams new censorship rules

#80

If only we had some kind of purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash that would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution.

If only there was a peer to peer electronic cash system that was instant and you didn't have to pay for fees for each transaction.

Jokes and cryptocurrencies aside. The digital euro is being built and will be deployed in the coming years, enabling offline digital money transfers. I'll have to see it to belive it.

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