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Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by overfeed »

behnamoh wrote: post #21
scotty79 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what a healthy competition in the free market looks like. Things like Apple that "stay innovative" for decades are aberration caused by monopolistic gatekeeping.

> Things like Apple are aberration. This used to be a good example of innovation that is hard to copy. But it doesn't apply anymore for two reasons: 1. Apple went from being an agile, pro-developers, creative company to an Oracle-style old-board milking-cow company; not much innovation is happening at Apple anymore. 2. To their surprise, much of what they call "innovative" is actually pretty easy to replicate on othe…

> This used to be a good example of innovation that is hard to copy.

Steve Jobs did say they "patented the hell out of [the iPhone]" and went about saber-rattling, then came the patent wars which proved that Apple also rely on innovation by others, and that patent workarounds would still result in competitive products, and things calmed down afterwards.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by the_duke »

ripley12 wrote: post #67
bangaladore wrote: post #51

If you haven't tried OpenAI's deep research feature, you are missing out. I'm not sure of any good alternatives, I've tried Google's, and I'm not impressed. There is a lot of value to say engineers doing tradeoff studies using these tools as a huge head start.

Anthropic's Research is pretty good; I'd say on par with OpenAI. Agreed about Google, accuracy is a little better on the paid version but the reports are still frustrating to read through. They're incredibly verbose, like an undergrad padding a report to get to a certain word count.

That's Gemini Pro now in general. The initial preview was pretty good, but the newer iterations are incredibly verbose.

"Be terse" is a mandatory part of the prompt now.

Either it's to increase token counts so they can charge more, or to show better usage growth metrics internally or for shareholders, or just some odd effects of fine tuning / system prompt ... who knows.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by cindyllm »

dust42 wrote: post #65
chickenzzzzu wrote: post #60

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Actually Le Chat is french for the (male) cat. Also 'Le Chat' is a well known laundry detergent (of german origin - Henkel company). The headline 'Le Chat takes a deep dive' means 'the cat takes a deep dive'. As there is a cooperation with (german) Black Forest Labs, this is all pretty funny for a french speaking person. 'La Chatte' is the female cat. And also colloquial for female private parts.

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Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by bakkoting »

M4v3R wrote: post #29

I think they've buried the lede with their image editing capabilities, which seem to be very good! OpenAI's model will change the whole image while editing messing up details in unrelated areas. This seems to perfectly preserve parts of the image unrelated to your query and selectively apply the edits, which is very impressive! The only downside is the output resolution (the resulting image is 1184px wide even though…

Kontext is probably better at this specific task, if that's what Mistral is using. Certainly faster and cheaper. But:

OpenAI just yesterday added the ability to do higher fidelity image edits with their model [1], though I'm not sure if the functionality is only in the API or if their chat UI will make use of this feature too. Same prompt and input image: [2]

[1] https://x.com/OpenAIDevs/status/1945538534884135132

[2] https://i.imgur.com/w5Q0UQm.png

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by joshcartme »

M4v3R wrote: post #29

I think they've buried the lede with their image editing capabilities, which seem to be very good! OpenAI's model will change the whole image while editing messing up details in unrelated areas. This seems to perfectly preserve parts of the image unrelated to your query and selectively apply the edits, which is very impressive! The only downside is the output resolution (the resulting image is 1184px wide even though…

Wow, that really is amazing!

I couldn't help but notice that you can still see the shadows of the rips in the fixed version. I wonder how hard it would be to get those fixed as well.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by jdiff »

freedomben wrote: post #64
vouaobrasil wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An alternative: don't use LLMs. Focus on the enjoyment of coding, not on becoming more efficient. Because the lion's share of the gains from increased efficiency are mainly going to the CEOs.

This might be good short term advice, but in the medium and long term I think devs who don't use any AI will start to be much slower at delivery than devs who do. I'm alreay seeing it IRL (and I'm not a fan of AI coding, so this sucks for me)

Good news for you then, this idea is less and less born out by the data. The productivity and efficiency gains aren't there, so there's no reason to be compelled by the spectre of obsolescence. The models may be getting better, but it doesn't seem to be actually changing much for programming. The illusion of busywork, perhaps, is swallowing up the decreased mental bandwidth in constant context switching.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by jdiff »

ivape wrote: post #69
freedomben wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be good short term advice, but in the medium and long term I think devs who don't use any AI will start to be much slower at delivery than devs who do. I'm alreay seeing it IRL (and I'm not a fan of AI coding, so this sucks for me)

Slower in initial delivery maybe, but the maintenance and debugging of production applications requires intimate knowledge of the code base usually. The amount of code AI writes will require AI itself to manage it since no human would inundate themselves with that much code. Will it be faster even so? We simply won’t know because those vibe coded apps have just entered production. The horror stories can’t be written…

Plenty of small FAFO stories circulate already. There will certainly be more. Lots of demonstration code out there in the training data meant only for illustrative purposes, and all too often vibe coding overlooks the rock bottom basics of security.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by lossolo »

klntsky wrote: post #20
behnamoh wrote: post #12

At this point, the entire AI industry seems to just copy OpenAI for the most part. I cannot help but notice that we have the same services just offered by different companies. The amount of innovation in this build is not that high actually.

They are not the same service. There is A LOT of difference between offerings if you actually use the models for daily tasks like coding.

It really depends on what you're working on and what was included in the training data of the model you used. From a model architecture point of view, they're basically all the same, the main difference lies in the training data.

Re: Mistral Releases Deep Research, Voice, Projects in Le Chat

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

M4v3R wrote: post #29

I think they've buried the lede with their image editing capabilities, which seem to be very good! OpenAI's model will change the whole image while editing messing up details in unrelated areas. This seems to perfectly preserve parts of the image unrelated to your query and selectively apply the edits, which is very impressive! The only downside is the output resolution (the resulting image is 1184px wide even though…

It messed up the titles of the books.
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