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The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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i guess this could somewhat? help homeless people. They can not be accused of loitering if they own that land... Better than getting a fine for sleeping on the street?

Having an address to your name helps a lot to get a job (classism is very harsh and bad, society is very cruel to homeless people)

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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I come from a small rural place in Norway, at the lowest point the municipalities started selling old houses for next to nothing, as in equivalent to $100. No strings attached. But of course, the person living there would have to pay (equivalent to) $1000-$1500 / year on fees related to water, waste management, cleaning of chimney, etc. And you'd probably like to have the house insured. And these weren't nice new hou…

There's an irony in that there is often a regulatory issue with the local government, not just some "shortage of humans". The same thing happened in one of the most populated regions in the US. The area between Boston/NYC and DC, containing Baltimore, was once a city of a million people. It contains an underground subway and was once referred to as the Paris of America, however through regulation and unions it became…

> was once referred to as the Paris of America

Interesting. I heard that Detroit was known as the Paris of the West. Looking it up, it seems this was a fairly common phrase applied to many cities over the years. [0]

Detroit also has had $1 homes, but as with everywhere else, that isn’t the end of the story.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_of_the_West

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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I come from a small rural place in Norway, at the lowest point the municipalities started selling old houses for next to nothing, as in equivalent to $100. No strings attached. But of course, the person living there would have to pay (equivalent to) $1000-$1500 / year on fees related to water, waste management, cleaning of chimney, etc. And you'd probably like to have the house insured. And these weren't nice new hou…

Sounds like there were many strings attached actually.

Apparently not very strongly attached.

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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The catch is that the entire area is in decline and there's little to do for social activities or employment. Declining cities in the US have tried this, and they are not places people generally want to live. This is the same scenario, just in a location that is romanticized by most of the western world instead of Baltimore, MD.

And also not a good idea to think as a retirement place. Probably no big hospital near. There is a reason why people do bot want to live there.

Yep, good point.

In general, services of all kinds will be lacking and will remain so unless there is a massive demographic change (which is highly unlikely).

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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Do you have any idea of the thermal inertia of a castle? How are you going to heat it to an acceptable living temperature?

If you spend 700k eur on heating instead of on the purchase price you can stay warm for quite a while

I wouldn’t count on that. https://www.lifestyledaily.co.uk/article/2021/03/23/how-much... gives £209k as an estimate for heating the main house from Downton Abbey.

Now, Italy is a bit warmer than the UK, and most castles a bit smaller, but castles in Italy can be on colder mountaintops.

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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> The €1 house project seems to have been the brainchild of Vittorio Sgarbi, the Italian art critic and TV personality turned mayor of the small, rapidly depopulating town of Salemi, Sicily.

Not coincidentally, that's the same guy and same town that acquired the massive film collection from legendary NYC chain Kim's Video [1], ostensibly to create a cultural hub in Salemi, but instead they let the collection rot.

There's a documentary about it [2], but it's a bit insufferable at times, and you can basically get the gist from some articles [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim%27s_Video_and_Music

[2] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt24132144/

[3] https://news.artnet.com/art-world/kims-video-documentary-246...

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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Even 5k for a house and some land seems like a pretty decent deal. What are the strings attached? Is there local mob extorting you if you move there?

The catch is that the entire area is in decline and there's little to do for social activities or employment. Declining cities in the US have tried this, and they are not places people generally want to live. This is the same scenario, just in a location that is romanticized by most of the western world instead of Baltimore, MD.

You'd think a well placed billionaire (or even a "mere" 10s-100s millionaire) could do something interesting there. Buy up 10-20 vacant houses, renovate them, finance a couple of "fun" local entertainment businesses (idk craft breweries or barcades or minigolf or climbing gyms or escape rooms or whatever would be enough of a draw), fund a local arts/music program, and start a small tech/finance/consulting business in town. How much cash investment does it realistically take to make land appreciate even just enough to make it worth it?

And I'm not talking Baltimore, which has a population of 600k and just a lot more baked in problems, I'm talking declining European "villages".

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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And also not a good idea to think as a retirement place. Probably no big hospital near. There is a reason why people do bot want to live there.

Yep, good point. In general, services of all kinds will be lacking and will remain so unless there is a massive demographic change (which is highly unlikely).

Only sensible solution would be if you were starting a factory and then building company town on something existing... But even then you probably want something slightly bigger already as scaling to big enough is huge investment.

Re: The Italian towns selling houses for €1

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The catch is that the entire area is in decline and there's little to do for social activities or employment. Declining cities in the US have tried this, and they are not places people generally want to live. This is the same scenario, just in a location that is romanticized by most of the western world instead of Baltimore, MD.

You'd think a well placed billionaire (or even a "mere" 10s-100s millionaire) could do something interesting there. Buy up 10-20 vacant houses, renovate them, finance a couple of "fun" local entertainment businesses (idk craft breweries or barcades or minigolf or climbing gyms or escape rooms or whatever would be enough of a draw), fund a local arts/music program, and start a small tech/finance/consulting business in…

Why, when you can just buy the entire island of Lanai?

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I would argue it really isn't. Massachusetts still has some of the strongest union protections, is one of the most unionized states, and Baltimore has worked hard to maintain an incompetent government for decades. Given the outrageous rents in nearby states and cities Baltimore should have kept growing but has instead shrunk to a half million. The rust belt as a whole was primarily just companies escaping unions. Che…

I'm far from a union sympathizer, but you've already moved from your initial, absurdly simplistic description of the issue to a major symptom (decades of ineffective government, ranging from benign incompetence to intentional malice). Also, the rents in nearby areas to the north are far from outrageous (hint: there are no major cities for a couple hours), and the Baltimore metro area continues to grow because the are…

He did say that the city is badly regulated…
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