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Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by const_cast »

bapak wrote: post #40
Mr-Frog wrote: post #39

In other words, drug dealers are privacy-conscious and the Google Pixel is one of the strongest hardware platforms for privacy-aware configurations.

> GrapheneOS boasts particularly secure and well-executed full disk and metadata encryption, a security feature So, the default iPhone experience?

GrapheneOS goes much, much further than that, providing stronger sandboxes for apps and Google Play Services. GrapheneOS also allows multiple users, isolating things like your filesystem and camera roll from groups of apps.

You can do things like install and update apps in one profile with stronger permissions, and then actually operate the apps in another profile that's locked-down. You can also do things like install apps that require Google Play Services in one profile, but then run them in another with no Google Play Services. In practice, you can have a phone that never phone homes to Google while still running apps that depend on Google Play Services. If you're really savvy, you can even protect your identity from google entirely, using anonymous accounts for the Play Store. You can even get RCS up and running with no Google Services running or Carrier apps running.

As far as I know, you can't turn off phoning home to Apple on iOS. Nor do you know what, exactly, is being phoned home.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by skybrian »

soraminazuki wrote: post #70
skybrian wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The headline is exaggerated to make the cops sound like idiots. If they suspect someone might be a drug dealer (fair - it's a clue), that's very different from thinking they "must" be a drug dealer.

Your characterization is under-exaggerated to make this problem sound normal. It's not. > Every time we see a Google Pixel, we suspect it might belong to a drug dealer Being a Pixel or GrapheneOS user should never be a "clue" of criminality. It should never result in police detaining you or rummaging through your phone. Any police that acts in this way is indeed an "idiot."

It would be if they did that, and maybe they do, but the article doesn't say they do that. You've added your own assumption.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by soraminazuki »

skybrian wrote: post #72
soraminazuki wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your characterization is under-exaggerated to make this problem sound normal. It's not. > Every time we see a Google Pixel, we suspect it might belong to a drug dealer Being a Pixel or GrapheneOS user should never be a "clue" of criminality. It should never result in police detaining you or rummaging through your phone. Any police that acts in this way is indeed an "idiot."

It would be if they did that, and maybe they do, but the article doesn't say they do that. You've added your own assumption.

Of course they do. What else do you think they're going to do? Keep their "suspicions" to themselves?

> Every time we see a Google Pixel, we suspect it might belong to a drug dealer

This means something, you know.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by skybrian »

soraminazuki wrote: post #73
skybrian wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would be if they did that, and maybe they do, but the article doesn't say they do that. You've added your own assumption.

Of course they do. What else do you think they're going to do? Keep their "suspicions" to themselves? > Every time we see a Google Pixel, we suspect it might belong to a drug dealer This means something, you know.

I don't know what specifically it means because I don't know how law enforcement works in Spain. Do you?

It seems like you're asking me to imagine something, but I'm not taking the bait. I'm not going to confuse imagining things with having evidence for them.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by throw123xz »

elnatro wrote: post #67
throw123xz wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which court rulings in Spain Cloudflare doesn't want to comply with?

Cloudflare does not provide the information to the court about the clients that do piracy.

Do they have to, especially if they're not from Spain?

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by soraminazuki »

skybrian wrote: post #74
soraminazuki wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course they do. What else do you think they're going to do? Keep their "suspicions" to themselves? > Every time we see a Google Pixel, we suspect it might belong to a drug dealer This means something, you know.

I don't know what specifically it means because I don't know how law enforcement works in Spain. Do you? It seems like you're asking me to imagine something, but I'm not taking the bait. I'm not going to confuse imagining things with having evidence for them.

It at the very least means people with Pixels or GrapheneOS are treated unfairly by law enforcement. It's unfair because owning either of those is in no way indicative of a crime. You can't possibly IANAL your way out of this fact.

It's rich to accuse others of "baiting" while engaging in sealioning. I'm not the one trying to strip all meaning from words.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by elnatro »

throw123xz wrote: post #75
elnatro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloudflare does not provide the information to the court about the clients that do piracy.

Do they have to, especially if they're not from Spain?

If they want to operate in Spain, yes.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by throw123xz »

elnatro wrote: post #77
throw123xz wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do they have to, especially if they're not from Spain?

If they want to operate in Spain, yes.

I'm not familiar with Spanish law, but you can see the problem with forcing a company to provide details of customers that are from a different country.

It's a bit like the UK demanding that Apple gave them access to user data of all customers worldwide. Apple correctly told them no and stopped offering end-to-end encryption to UK users.

Re: Cops in [Spain] think everyone using a Google Pixel must be a drug dealer

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Post by elnatro »

throw123xz wrote: post #78
elnatro wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they want to operate in Spain, yes.

I'm not familiar with Spanish law, but you can see the problem with forcing a company to provide details of customers that are from a different country. It's a bit like the UK demanding that Apple gave them access to user data of all customers worldwide. Apple correctly told them no and stopped offering end-to-end encryption to UK users.

So, following your example, CloudFlare should stop offering the service to Spanish clients that allow them to break the law.
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