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Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by taeric »

cyberax wrote: post #60
taeric wrote: post #10

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I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

Try walking instead of jogging. If you want more challenge, try walking up on an incline (a natural or on a treadmill). It's much easier on your joints, and you can adjust the difficulty gradually.

Apologies that my example invited specific consideration. Long hikes are also somewhat "painful" for people that don't do them often. Walking to the bus stop is something I have seen many kids avoid, if they have the option.

That is, I'm not hurting in my joints from running. My pains there will be much more attuned to how hard it is for me to "push" at speeds. That said, pushing at any speed is how I have managed to increases the speeds that I can push.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by simoncion »

butlike wrote: post #64
simoncion wrote: post #54

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I unironically offer the opinion that the pill that you're looking for is amphetamines.

Terrible advice. The muscles need blood (nutrients), and you're going to take something that vasoconstricts? You're then going to couple that with an increased heart rate? I unironically offer the opinion that half a teaspoon of creatine is a much better alternative.

> Terrible advice. The muscles need blood (nutrients), and you're going to take something that vasoconstricts?

ADHD patients seem to be able to exercise just fine (and -importantly- don't seem to be suffering widespread muscle death) when on Adderall and similar. I bet folks like that are pretty glad that the body is a complex, robust system that does reasonably well in a fairly wide range of internal and external environments.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

rybosworld wrote: post #38
majkinetor wrote: post #23

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And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

There's nuance here. Soreness is not a bad thing. And it's true that people who regularly exercise will often be in a state where they feel some level of soreness somewhere. That's the kind of pain people say you should embrace. It's also true that lots of folks injure themselves exercising. Sometimes this leads to having to take time off to recover. But people who don't exercise are more at risk of injury in general…

Not talking about soreness. Soreness is trivial. I currently have 2 tendons hurting and everybody in my gym who exercise constantly.

But I agree with you, people who don't exercise are more at risk of injury in general.

> > And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you

> And last of all - this is plainly not true...

It's true, its just that pharma wants to sell you drugs. No wonder Pauling called it orthomolecular medicine, claiming that "right" molecules are basically non toxic.

Unless you are a complete retard and take millions IU of vitamin D or you are a special case. There are no reported deaths with supplements in the last 30 years.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by taeric »

butlike wrote: post #65
taeric wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the big road block for many people is that exercise itself also hurts? I know that is a hurdle I have with my kids. They complain that jogging/running hurts. It is hard to convince people that that never really changes, and that it also hurts for the people that are doing it every day. Obviously acute pains are a different thing, but there is a reason recovery is a vital part of exercise. We all have to recov…

The most important thing is not to "blow" your endocrine system. If you overload it your body will subconsciously avoid exercise. The full body max-weight workout will feel good the first time, then soon, mysteriously, you won't want to go back to the gym. My suggestion is to stop your workout a little before you want to, almost as if you're disappointed it's over now, which will make you want to go to the gym the ne…

Ish? I can similarly claim that the most important part of any exercise is showing up. Surprisingly apt for any work. Just showing up is obnoxious in how effective it is.

Similarly, for many nootropic reports, "just doing something" is far more effective than people give credit. Especially if it is a choice to do something. Successfully executing one choice seems to confer some success at executing on the next one. (Note, successful execution does not imply successful outcome...)

I'm convinced this is why people that start their routine with "just make your bed every day" get a surprising amount of success.

All of which is to say that I agree you shouldn't blow yourself out. My push back is that you are probably far less blown out than you think after a workout.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

jonnybgood wrote: post #37
majkinetor wrote: post #23

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And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

As one of those random persons who has been weightlifting for 10+ years and is currently in their late 30s, I look great and I feel great. Yes, there is pain because you’re breaking down muscle fibers which repair and become stronger. Lots of people experience delayed onset muscle soreness, which is temporary. Some people don’t learn how to do things correctly and don’t listen to their body so they injure themselves.…

> Honestly, it sounds like you’re trying to convince yourself not to do it.

I am still doing it, and I do feel good in general. However, I have constant pain in one part of the body or other which is something I can manage (if its too strong, ibuprofen or friends). The entire gym is full of NSAIDs.

It's just that nobody underlines this aspect of exercise. I know its good for metabolism, brain health, cardiovascular health, looking good etc so you trade serious disease for more or less pain.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

spacemadness wrote: post #48
majkinetor wrote: post #23

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And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

That’s just not true. I’ve been lifting heavy for many years and have had my share of injuries, sure. But they heal. My body feels great. I’m almost 50 and I have no back pain, or other pains I see people constantly complaining about that are near my age and don’t do any resistance training. The only reason I injured myself is because I overreached. So that’s in ones control. I tend to overdo it from time to time if…

You just said its true. Yes, most of the things heal, but one day they don't.

I am 50, take 0 drugs, and look better than in 20. Back doesn't hurt.

Metformin did help more than exercise, though.

Note that I didn't exercise at all until 45.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by perrygeo »

Analemma_ wrote: post #7

The tl;dr is: 1. Apart from ADHD medications, which are very powerful, most drugs and weird obscure supplements have little effect (there are some intriguing but noisy results about peptides). 2. Exercise— especially weightlifting and HIIT— is also very powerful. There's evidence of a dose-response curve where light exercise is good but intense is better. Arguably this is pretty unsurprising, from an evolutionary per…

So regular exercise (lifting, HIIT, and light cardio outdoors) is literally that one weird trick. It's hard to identify any downsides but the upsides are tremendous. It's amazing that people will go out ingesting all sorts of questionable substances just to avoid getting in shape.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by blitzar »

BMc2020 wrote: post #41
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

What I want is a pill that makes me exercise.

Viagra

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by ed »

kccqzy wrote: post #6
Workaccount2 wrote: post #2

Another win for exercising. It's crazy to me how many people have miserable health, complain about their body and mental state endlessly, but still put up any roadblock they can think of to avoid exercising of any form.

It's bad habits from a younger age. I remember in my 20s, I didn't need to exercise at all and yet my body felt perfect. And so was my mental health. It was after several years of sedentary lifestyle that it clicked for me that my health was declining and exercise was needed to restore it. I suspect this could be the case for many: you don't need exercise and your body remains in a tip top shape when you are young.

Remember you probably were exercising until about 18, since it’s required by most schools.

Re: What I learned gathering nootropic ratings (2022)

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Post by majkinetor »

dkarl wrote: post #56
majkinetor wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, nobody mentions how supplements can't generally damage you, but a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time. Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventua…

> a few days in a gym can fuck you up for an entire year, even with a lot of experience. I basically never met anybody who does regular resistance training without having some sort of pain somewhere, all the time > Maybe if you are underdoing it its possible but if you follow the muscle building theory, you are certainly going to get fucked eventually. Even the slightest position issue can make your tendons hurt for…

> If your goal is to optimize your enjoyment of your body now and in the future, then do whatever works best to serve that goal in the gym

Why would my goal be enjoyment? I follow the science and do what must be done. I don't enjoy broccoli or fish too, but still eat them. I enjoy sugar, but I totally do not eat it.

> A problem that both my parents started experiencing around forty, and which I encountered on the same schedule, was chronic knee pain.

I never had a knee pain until I started exercising. Taking turmeric now for it.

> My friends sometimes say things like, you hurt yourself playing soccer, isn't that dumb?

Your friends are right. I played basketball entire life, and now I stopped it, because if somebody hits me I am in pain for days. You have to aknowledge your age and that you are more fragile and heal very slow, even with optimal nutrition and supplementation and gadgets like red light.

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