DeepSeek R2 launch stalled as CEO balks at progress

Post by ignoramous » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 11:39 AM UTC

diggan wrote: post #50

KronisLV wrote: post #30

I wonder how different things would be if the CPU and GPU supply chain was more distributed globally: if we were at a point where we'd have models (edit: of hardware, my bad on the wording) developed and produced in the EU, as well as other parts of the world. Maybe then we wouldn't be beholden to Nvidia's whims (sour spot in regards to buying their cards and the costs of those, vs what Intel is trying to do with the…

> if we were at a point where we'd have models developed and produced in the EU, as well as other parts of the world. But we have models developing and being produced outside of the US already, both in Asia but also Europe. Sure, it would be cool to see more from South America and Africa, but the playing field is not just in the US anymore, particularly when it comes to open weights (which seems more of a "world bene…

Post by tw1984 » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 11:42 AM UTC

sundache wrote: post #46

Papazsazsa wrote: post #39

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I don't know why this isn't the crux of our current geopolitical spat. Surely it would be cheaper and easier for the CCP to develop their own chipmaking capacity than going to war in the Taiwan strait?

A problem they face in building their own capacity is that ASML isn't allowed to export their newest machines to China. The US has even pressured them to stop servicing some machines already in China. They've been working on getting their own ASML competitor for decades, but so far unsuccessfully.

Post by reliabilityguy » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 11:48 AM UTC

rfoo wrote: post #35

chvid wrote: post #23

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I am pretty sure that the information has no access to / sources at Deepseek. At most they are basing their article on selective random internet chatter amongst those who follow Chinese ai.

Yes. And those random Internet chatter almost certainly doesn't know what they are talking about at all. First, nobody is training on H20s, it's absurd. Then their logic was, because of high inference demand of DeepSeek models there are high demand of H20 chips, and H20s were banned so better not release new model weights now, otherwise people would want H20s harder. Which is... even more absurd. The reasoning itself…

Post by tw1984 » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 11:53 AM UTC

WJW wrote: post #55

Papazsazsa wrote: post #39

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I don't know why this isn't the crux of our current geopolitical spat. Surely it would be cheaper and easier for the CCP to develop their own chipmaking capacity than going to war in the Taiwan strait?

China doesn't want Taiwan for the chip making plants, but because they consider its existence to be an ongoing armed rebellion against the "rightful" rulers. Getting the fabs intact would be nice, but it's not the main objective. The USA doesn't want to lose Taiwan because of the chip making plants, and a little bit because it is beneficial to surround their geopolitical enemies with a giant ring of allies.

Post by diggan » Sat, Jun 28, 2025, 11:56 AM UTC

tazjin wrote: post #70

diggan wrote: post #26

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Would love to see the system/user prompts involved, if possible. Personally I get it to write the same code I'd produce, which obviously I think is OK code, but seems other's experience differs a lot from my own so curious to understand why. I've iterated a lot on my system prompt so could be as easy as that.

Do you use the DeepSeek hosted R1, or a custom one? The published model has a note strongly recommending that you should not use system prompts at all, and that all instructions should be sent as user messages, so I'm just curious about whether you use system prompts and what your experience with them is. Maybe the hosted service rewrites them into user ones transparently ...