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I keep forgetting what I think of as plainly facetious could be someone’s actual belief.
Yeah, I saw your edit. You can't use sarcasm on the internet anymore. How many downvotes did that cost you?
National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
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Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
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Until some random crazy person exercises the same right and destroys an irreplaceable rare book. You have to get a library card for the library. I don’t see why there is so much outrage over this, and I think the timing is more about budget cuts than about Trump [caveat- firing the archivist might have been personal]. I find the arguments that “he just wants to sow distrust” etc. are completely unbelievable; he has b…
> Until some random crazy person exercises the same right and destroys an irreplaceable rare book. In considering the LOC's multi-century existence, this parade of horribles never manifested as a meaningful risk. It remains limited to select imaginations.
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#73From the site: > All researchers must apply and present a researcher card, which may be obtained in Room 1000. This ensures that proper identification is on file for all individuals accessing the building to establish a legitimate business purpose. Abuse of any researcher registration to circumvent access by the general public may result in a trespass situation and a permanent ban from access to all NARA facilities.…
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
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Right, I guess we should throw up our hands and let the dictator of the week run things as he sees, with no oversight. If it meaningfully impacts the public, the public should have input. The input doesn't need to be binding, but it needs to be taken into consideration. Representative government is not a once-every-four-years exercise, nor is it something that should only be accessible to the mega-rich. There's an en…
there's no oversight needed when the government does a lot less If there's no loose budget, there's far fewer things that go into the black budgets.
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#75It's comical to me that anyone is complaining here because a) everyone with a business purpose are the only ones going. b) NO one on hacker news is ever going to go.
Proof by counter example: I've been to NARA II at College Park dozens of times, researching and writing various papers or games I have worked on as side projects. So for example I did a lot of research on WW2 era naval damage control for a video game I was working on that never actually got out of the prototype stage. Depending on exactly how this is enforced it could be nothing or could be a big deal. It depends ent…
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Proof by counter example: I've been to NARA II at College Park dozens of times, researching and writing various papers or games I have worked on as side projects. So for example I did a lot of research on WW2 era naval damage control for a video game I was working on that never actually got out of the prototype stage. Depending on exactly how this is enforced it could be nothing or could be a big deal. It depends ent…
sounds like a business purpose to me, and also, how much do you want to bet if you were to do that today, you'd find all the naval damage control information on chatgpt.
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#77Can we update the title to National Archives at College Park, MD to restrict public access starting July 7 ?
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#78From the site: > All researchers must apply and present a researcher card, which may be obtained in Room 1000. This ensures that proper identification is on file for all individuals accessing the building to establish a legitimate business purpose. Abuse of any researcher registration to circumvent access by the general public may result in a trespass situation and a permanent ban from access to all NARA facilities.…
It means if you are a crazy person, you can no longer waltz in off your motorcycle and demand all documents related to alien spacecraft held at Area 51 or the real unedited Zapruder film that clearly shows Walt Disney was the triggerman, etc. My guess is anyone could still pursue whatever crazy theories they wanted, so long as they conducted their research legitimately, i.e., as a legitimate _process_ of research, wi…
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
#79I have a researcher card, it's not an arduous process. The staff are very kind. When you show up to the National Archives in Washington, DC., prepare to encounter a general group of 2 dozen pros carrying scanners, laptops, etc. It's quite the experience. I don't see this is that big of a deal. It's open, you can access it, but they are controlling more. Given the propensity for the theft and destruction of archives d…
Do they actually bring out unique archival records for the general public? I thought it was always backed up stuff. If not, even assuming a 0.1% rate of scroundels over time that must mean thousands of records have been destroyed or stolen or tampered with…
Sometimes if there's a more extensive process to retrieve the record (i.e. your archivist has to talk to a different government entity or agency to get the information) you might get some facsimiles, but often the information is only captured in the physical document that you're looking at. Moreover, to reiterate my point from above, part of the reason that College Park is making this decision (probably) is because it takes time and coordination to get these documents, and they want to ensure that--with limited staff and resources--they're still able to fulfill their mission of providing access to information.
Most of the records that exist under NARA's purview are not backed up at all. There's a major initiative to digitize existing holdings, but that's challenging/fraught with staffing issues. It's basically an under- or un-funded mandate.
If you're interested, there's been a fair amount of theft throughout the history of the agency, and they actually maintain a page on it: https://www.archives.gov/research/recover/notable-thefts.htm...
Re: National Archives at College Park, MD, will become a restricted federal facility
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Every aspect of government should provide the public with rationale for its actions unless providing that rationale is an actual threat to national security or an individual's freedoms. And any time they can't provide rationale for those reasons, an independent agency should review them confidentially. You can't have government by the people, for the people, of the people without accountability.
This is the sort of bureaucratic nonsense people actually rail against. You're assuming you'd get something truthful or informative out of that process, when in reality you'll get the opposite due to the inherit (dis)incentives.
Because obviously nothing can ever change, so don't even try. How silly of of you citizen, to imagine even trying to fix corruption.