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Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by 15155 »

mandmandam wrote: post #70
15155 wrote: post #66

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> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. > will only ever be applied to foreigners I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

> I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it. > Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though? > I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypothetica…

> Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it.

Guess what? You don't have a universal human right to a visa, even if you do have a right to free speech.

> What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder

I'm not a visa holder. I wouldn't expect to be able to go to China and espouse anti-CCP rhetoric, either.

> refusal to acknowledge the UDHR

Visas aren't a human right, try again.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by apwell23 »

ivape wrote: post #61
15155 wrote: post #47

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> Along with the push for ending birth right citizenship Which other countries in the world allow pregnant vacationers to birth citizens?

It appears most of the western hemisphere (Canada, USA, Mexico, most of South America).

> western hemisphere

oh yea to outnumber the native population they were taking over during colonial times.

ironically it came back to bite them now that they are on the receiving end of replacement.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by AlecSchueler »

apwell23 wrote: post #64
Chris2048 wrote: post #58

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Would it? What makes aSM account "official"? If I make a burner account, it's still my account.

you have reveal all social media accounts not one of your choosing. ppl commenting here without even checking the basics :(

And if you deactivate the others?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by netsharc »

mandmandam wrote: post #70
15155 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. > will only ever be applied to foreigners I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

> I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Your opinion doesn't trump universal human rights. Nor should it. > Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. What if the political issues affect you as a visa holder? Have you actually thought this though? > I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypothetica…

Man, I'm getting emotionally worked up on a Saturday trying to change some [two words removed because hello HN guidelines]'s mind. I hope you're not on the same path as me.

I suggest we let him think what he wants to think. I find it curious anyway when people say they don't consider hypotheticals, humans are all about hypotheticals ("what's going to happen if x happens..."), even apes do so. Not considering them means wanting to be as intelligent as amoebas, and the [term has been deleted] we're trying to converse with seems to be proud of that.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by ivape »

15155 wrote: post #66
mandmandam wrote: post #63

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You have managed to conflate vocally anti-genocidal students (exercising their universal human right to freedom of assembly) with "foreign political activists" (as if they came to the US just to try and help us stop enabling genocide) - and then leaped straight to "intelligence operators". You also seem to be all over this thread insisting that these violations of human rights will only ever be applied to foreigners…

> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. > will only ever be applied to foreigners I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by 15155 »

ivape wrote: post #75
15155 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> conflate vocally anti-genocidal students I don't want foreign students (or otherwise) being "vocal" for literally any reason whatsoever. Go to school, become a citizen if you wish, and then participate in the political process. > will only ever be applied to foreigners I consider the case at hand, not a slippery slope of hypotheticals.

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> What is the source of this righteous indignation? You think countries invite foreigners here with the patronizing attitude of “you’re lucky to be here, don’t say a fucking word”?

Yes, I do think that's how countries invite foreigners.

> Try your best to not sound so unfuckable.

Looks like I hit a nerve. I'm sure you're a great houseguest.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by zeroCalories »

carefulfungi wrote: post #25
zeroCalories wrote: post #12

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He just asked for examples? Can you give some?

1. University funding cancellations because of disfavored but 1A protected protests 2. Attacks on law firms with disfavored clients. 3. Federal law suits against media like NBC, ABC, and investigations of NPR and others. 4. Increased arrest rate for “obstruction” by ICE of people protesting immigration enforcement. 5. Blanket bans on “DEI” speech and retaliation against organizations that promote DEI. 6. An executive…

1. This isn't suppressing free speech. This is classic new deal government. I thought liberals liked that?

2. No one is obligated to work with you, or give you clearances if you're suspected of being against state interests.

3. I thought we were all for government crackdowns on corrupt corporations?

4. Many of these people are obstructionist.

5. DEI is discriminatory. I thought liberals were anti-discrimination?

6. More new deal government. Nothing improper here. You just lost the vote.

7. The military is not obligated to allow anyone to serve. It's a job, like any other. Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, pal.

8. Being selective of what you promote isn't suppression of speech. Is it suppression of speech when Confederate monuments are removed, or did you lose the vote?

9. Those are not citizens.

10. This is regulation to prevent anti-competitive behavior and harassment.

11. Not free speech. You're not obligated to be in a press room

TBH, seems like you care that you lost, not about freedom. Why should I give you any freedom when your goal is to deprive me of mine?

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by carefulfungi »

zeroCalories wrote: post #77
carefulfungi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. University funding cancellations because of disfavored but 1A protected protests 2. Attacks on law firms with disfavored clients. 3. Federal law suits against media like NBC, ABC, and investigations of NPR and others. 4. Increased arrest rate for “obstruction” by ICE of people protesting immigration enforcement. 5. Blanket bans on “DEI” speech and retaliation against organizations that promote DEI. 6. An executive…

1. This isn't suppressing free speech. This is classic new deal government. I thought liberals liked that? 2. No one is obligated to work with you, or give you clearances if you're suspected of being against state interests. 3. I thought we were all for government crackdowns on corrupt corporations? 4. Many of these people are obstructionist. 5. DEI is discriminatory. I thought liberals were anti-discrimination? 6. M…

I list several instances of the government coercing speech. You conclude that taking away my freedom is a legitimate goal. Strange.

Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by [deleted] »

jacob_a_dev wrote: post #55
jlebar wrote: post #38

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Who gets to define what is anti-American? Perhaps you think it's anti-American to believe that Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. Perhaps I think it's anti-American to believe that the Jan 6 rioters should have been pardoned. Whose purity test should we apply?

When it comes to allowing foreighn students to come to US, which from my understanding is a likely path to citizenship, the executive branch gets to decide, which is basically elected by 51% of population every 4 years. I prefer the exec branch over no purity test, or delegating to some other "expert" institution.

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Re: Korean students seek 'digital undertakers' amid US visa social media screening

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Post by mensetmanusman »

mandmandam wrote: post #57
DragonStrength wrote: post #19

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No one is pretending this is about terrorism now. They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Some outside the US miss that because few countries would have given foreign students this much room for activism in the first place.

> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.
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